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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: [WWW][Policy] Participate! - Rewriting
Date Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:38:35 GMT
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Dave Fisher <> wrote:
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Rob Weir <> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>>> <> wrote:
>>>> Redirects are easy once the live-site is our site and it can be figured out
how to add HTML <head> meta tags that the Apache CMS allows.  Also, there is always
the good old .htaccess scripting of a redirect (again, working around the CMS I suppose).
>>>> It should be done on at least on ooo-site even if it has no effect until
>>>> There is no reason to break a link on speculation when it is easy to avoid
breaking it, or having the break be temporary until cut-over.  (I'd bet the page has been
search-indexed and the "your download is starting, thank you for downloading" pages link to
donation/contribution points.)
>>> Dennis, I have absolutely no objections to any redirect rules that you
>>> are volunteering to implement.  I, however, do not think they are
>>> worth while, so I will not be spending any time on them.
>> And something else to consider:  without actual data your chances of
>> guessing what are the significant incoming links are is practically
>> nil.  Since we have not enabled Google Analytics on the site, we
>> continue to lack such data.
>> Some of the external links are to the kind of content we are already
>> throwing out.
>> For example: points to
>> It is entirely irrelevant to our work at Apache, but do we keep it for
>> historical reasons?
>> If we're not willing to enable GA, then our next best bet would be to
>> monitor the httpd logs for 404 errors.  A regular report of page not
>> found errors, sorted by URL and indicating the referrer, will give us
>> a targeted list of places were a redirect will help.  Otherwise we're
>> not going to have much luck with the  **2.6 million** external links
>> that come into pages.
> The plan is to redirect with wildcards to specific pages. See my other email.
> I am thinking we will do that type of redirect to most of the legacy site.
It might make sense to ask Apache Infra for a third Apache CMS tree called ooo-archive and
move all of the legacy that is either hopelessly out of date, currently without a people to
support it, or irrelevant to OOo under Apache.
> I want to be careful about this as a balancing act of displacing users will need to be
considered. Each page that is a target of a redirect will need to be carefully edited to allow
that most people arriving at that page will feel lost. They won't be getting what they expect
and it might not be in their native language.

How will you know if you are doing this well or poorly?  If, due to a
typographical error on a redirect rule, how would you know if you
"lost" 10,000 pages?   That's my concern.  We're trying to migrate
content with 2.6 million external links to it based on eyeballing a
list of redirects.  That might get you 90% of the way there.  But 10%
is still a lot of errors.

Maybe you can get Infra@ to archive http logs for the week before and
the week after the migration?


> Regards,
> Dave
>>> -Rob
>>>> Finally, it is my understanding that cut-over of the static site is now at
our option and the AOOo has reasonable discretion with regard to timing.  It seems that cut-over
can be done as soon as ooo-site is ready enough to be the new live site.  And the subdomains
don't all have to cut over together and everything will still work.  A progressive, rolling
cut-over might even be in the cards.
>>>>  - Dennis
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rob Weir []
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:11
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Re: [WWW][Policy] Participate! - Rewriting
>>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Kay Schenk <>
>>>>> [ ... ]
>>>>> How about if we don't hear any major objections by say, Dec. 1, I'll
>>>>> ahead and make this change (redirect contributing/index.html to this).
>>>>> Nothing is in concrete, we can always go back or do something else.
>>>> I don't know if we need to do an actual HTTP-level redirect.    I
>>>> don't think there are many external links to the OOo contributing
>>>> page.  It would be sufficient if we just change the link to point to
>>>> the project contributing page.
>>>>> --
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> MzK
>>>>> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
>>>>>  by the way its animals are treated."
>>>>>                              -- Mohandas Gandhi

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