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From Kazunari Hirano <khir...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Time for the ASF to send an Open Letter?
Date Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:24:02 GMT
Hi all,

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Donald Harbison <dpharbison@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:17 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Martin,
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2011-11-16 3:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>> >>> Hi Martin;
>> >>>
>> >>> --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
>> >>> ...
>> >>>> On 11/16/11 6:33 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> >>>>> On 16 November 2011 16:56, Martin Hollmichel
>> >>>>> <martin.hollmichel@googlemail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>> ...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> What kind of a "release" are you talking about. OOo
>> >>>>> releases can only be made from the Apache Software
>> >>>>> Foundation. Perhaps you are planning a downstream
>> >>>>> release that conforms to our trademark policy.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Please let us know your plans.
>> >>>> we're offering to provide an interim release of
>> >>>> OpenOffice.org 3.3.1 with a joint messaging of ASF and Team
>> >>>> OpenOffice.org. This would fill the gap between the 3.3.0
>> >>>> release from beginning of this year (with some known severe
>> >>>> issues) and the first AOO release in the future. I'm
>> >>>> convinced that this proceeding will help strengthen the
>> >>>> trust in OpenOffice.org / AOO.
>> >>
>> >> Based on the very little bit of information provided here on the Apache
>> lists, I can't see how your plans would possibly be approved by the ASF.
>> >>
>> >> Obviously, having more information about your plans, and being able to
>> see your work in the form of patches or commits to the AOO podling's
>> Subversion tree would be a great start to be able to do this kind of work.
>> >>
>> >> So my first suggestion is to start doing some of the actual coding work
>> here, on the ooo-dev@ list.  Then, work with the podling to show the PPMC
>> that this is a good idea, and deserves to proceed together with the
>> excellent progress the PPMC is making on the 3.4 release.
>> >>
>> >> Then, if the PPMC has a clear consensus to work with such an interim
>> release plan, we can discuss any trademark, legal, or press/messaging
>> questions you might have.
>> >
>> > What is difficult for me to understand is that both Stefan Taxhet and
>> Martin Hollmichel signed up as Initial Committers to the Apache project,
>> but have never signed an iCLA. There are many more than four people
>> involved.
>> >
>> > The Team OpenOffice website must immediately acknowledge that
>> OpenOffice.org is a registered trademark of the Apache Software Foundation.
>> >
>> > The Team OpenOffice site must recognize the Apache project.
>> >
>> > I don't think a joint statement is appropriate without properly
>> respectful actions beforehand.
>>
>> The following text on the teamopenoffice.org site is still in place!
>>
>> > Your donation counts: Save OpenOffice.org!
>> > The world needs a free, open source office software – but the genuine
>> article is under threat. We don’t want to let this happen!
>>
>> Ridiculous! openoffice.org is the Apache project - the genuine article is
>> not under threat.
>>
>> It has been a month since:
>>
>>
>> http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/213997/apache-disavows-team-openofficeorg-ev
>>
>> I really feel that the individuals on the project want to welcome Team OOo
>> to the project, I know I do.
>>
>
> Absolutely agree. These guys are very welcome to align with this project.
>
>>
>> It is my feeling that Team OOo should make a proposal to the AOOo PPMC
>> about how they wish to use the OpenOffice.org brand.
>>
>> +1 We will continue to ask for this, but in the meantime, the web site
> language you cite above must come down. There is no 'threat' to
> OpenOffice.org.

If we (Apache) use OpenOffice as product name and Apache OpenOffice as
project name, then we can give Team OOo the OpenOffice.org brand and
trademark?

Thanks,
khirano

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