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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ openoffice.org e-mail addresses
Date Tue, 01 Nov 2011 22:45:35 GMT
Hi Rob,

On Nov 1, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <orcmid@apache.org> wrote:
>> Rob speaketh,
>> 
>>   ... let's admit that almost all of the 500,000 openoffice.org
>>   addresses are unused or were created by spammers and have zero
>>   relevancy to the project.
>> 
>> So, what is "almost all" of 500,000, and how can it be determined?  How many
>> are left?
>> 
> 
> If you run a report on the BZ instance you see only 8700 or so unique
> ID's have ever been used for submitting defects.  So 83% of the
> 500,000 ID's are irrelevant from the perspective of BZ.  Maybe the
> remaining 420,000 users are furiously editing the wiki, but somehow I
> doubt that as well.
> 
> We could narrow that down further by those who are reporters on issues
> that are still open and get a more manageable number that could be
> send a notification that the openoffice.org mail forwarder is going
> away, with instructions on how to reset their email.

Can you get the tuple of @OOo address and forwarding address? These become database rows in
the temporary forwarder that Joe mentioned.

Would we do that for the MWiki and Forums in order to ease the phase out there?

Regards,
Dave


> 
> In any case, let's stop with the hysteria of the 500,000 accounts.
> That has no basis in reality.  Not even LibreOffice is claiming that
> many project participants.
> 
>> It would be more interesting to know how many forwards are happening via
>> @openoffice.org over recent times, yes?
>> 
> 
> The number of forwards is irrelevant from the perspective of the
> project.  ASF is not in the business of forwarding emails.  What is
> relevant is our ability to communicate with people who have submitted
> defect reports.   I think there are far easier ways of accomplishing
> this, provided we act diligently and start notifying users that the
> forwarding accounts are going away.  Remember, the openoffice.org
> email address aliases are public.  Anyone can create a report of such
> user accounts in BZ and send them a note.  So no data protection
> issues are involved in notifying them that the service is going away.

> 
> -Rob
> 
>> Do you have that information?  Can it be obtained?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 12:13
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [ISSUE] Shut-down of all name@ openoffice.org e-mail addresses
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pfg@apache.org> wrote:
>>> --- On Tue, 11/1/11, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Questions for the BZ, Forums and MWiki. Is there a way for
>>>> people registered in those systems with an @OOo email to
>>>> change their address without losing their content?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I won't miss what I never had, but ...
>>> 
>>> For BZ it's easy to change the email address. Just go to
>>> Preferences --> Account information.
>>> 
>> 
>> So is there any way to solve a more constrained problem?  In other
>> words, let's admit that almost all of the 500,000 openoffice.org
>> addresses are unused or were created by spammers and have zero
>> relevancy to the project.
>> 
>> Instead, we could look at all new BZ issues created in the last year,
>> all forum and wiki members who have logged in in the last year, and
>> all ooo-* list members.  From those lists, get the list of all those
>> with openoffice.org addresses.  Send them a note saying that the
>> forwarding service is going away.  Tell them how to reset their email
>> address in the tools.  On top of that put a prominent notice on the
>> wiki, forums and website to catch any users we might have missed.
>> 
>> -Rob
>> 
>> 
>>> cheers,
>>> 
>>> Pedro.
>>> 
>> 


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