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From Stefan Taxhet <>
Subject Re: Source Code Sponsor of OOo
Date Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:44:52 GMT
Hi Rob, All,

We are sorry for the confusion caused by our website. In the meantime we 
took the English pages down and started the rework with the German 
pages. Your and Shane's separately sent input will guide us during the 
creation of the revised content.


Am 21.11.2011 17:14, schrieb Rob Weir:
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Martin Hollmichel
> <>  wrote:
>> Shane,
>> the reference to the Apache Project is required here, agreed. We are
>> reworking the content of the pages to make the message more clear, your
>> guidance on how to point to Apache OpenOffice project is appreciated here,
> Hi Martin,
> Before anyone cuts my head off, let me preface my remarks by stating
> that this is my personal view, which others on the project may agree
> or disagree with.   Personally, I agree with your high level goals, at
> least as I understand them.  So I want you to succeed here.  But I did
> review the website yesterday and noted
> the following areas that appeared problematic to me.  IANAL, of
> course, but I think these areas should be addressed:
> 1) Apache owns the trademark on the blue&  black text +
> birds logo.  The Team OpenOffice uses this logo on their home page
> without
> permission from Apache.
> 2)  Apache owns the trademark on the name "".  This name
> and its common abbreviation "OOo" are used throughout the website
> without permission.
> 3) Use of the confusingly similar name "Team OpenOffice" without
> disclaimer stating they are not affiliated with the Apache OpenOffice
> project or the Apache Software Foundation.
> 4) The pervasive claims that Team OpenOffice is "saving
>" without a disclaimer saying that they are not
> affiliated with the Apache
> OpenOffice project or the Apache Software Foundation.
> 5) No where on the website do we see acknowledgement that
> is a trademark of the ASF
> 6) The website suggested that donors/sponsors can get their names
> added to an release.
> I would certainly be supportive of Apache granting permission for some
> uses of the trademark by Team OpenOffice.  But I think (again, my own
> personal opinion, so please everyone, stop sharpening those axes), the
> primary goals should be:
> 1) Make it clear to the visitor what the scope of Team OpenOffice
> activities are compared to Apache activities.  Confusing these,
> especially in the context of fundraising, is going to cause problems.
> 2) Express your support of the Apache OpenOffice project and the
> larger ecosystem, which I believe is well-intentioned and serious,
> without blurring the distinction between what is Apache and what is
> Team OpenOffice.
> 3) Raising funds for your organization's activities, without using
> Apache-owned trademarks in a way that could be confused as expressing
> Apache support or participation in the fundraising.
> Regards,
> -Rob
>> Martin
>> On 11/21/11 2:19 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>>> Note that the listed page is in no way associated with the ASF nor the AOO
>>> podling, and as best I can tell is directly infringing on a number of
>>> registered trademarks of the ASF.  I will be sending the admins of that
>>> website an email shortly demanding that that page and similar fundraising
>>> pages are taken down, and that their attempts (as it seems from that page)
>>> to create what I can only imagine would be called 3.4 cease,
>>> and immediately start using a new, non-infringing name.
>>> At the ASF, our software is *always* free (as in no cost); the ASF will
>>> *never* charge for either our source code our or project's software product
>>> releases.
>>> Any time you see someone stating or implying that you need to pay for any
>>> ASF-hosted code you should be suspicious.
>>> - Shane
>>> On 2011-11-20 12:44 PM, Thomas Horn wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I've read on that
>>>> you could become a "Source Code Sponsor" with your named displayed in
>>>> 3.4 by paying EUR 5000.
>>>> Do you really thinks that this is a good idea? I think that will lower
>>>> the neutrality of the Apache Foundation as I before wasn't under the
>>>> impression that you could buy yourself into Apache software.
>>>> Greetings from
>>>> Thomas

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