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From Martin Hollmichel <>
Subject Re: Source Code Sponsor of OOo
Date Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:40:12 GMT

as said at other place, we are in the process of reworking the site, as 
immidiate action I removed the logo now, please give us some few time 
for review and rewrite wording,

thank you,

Am 21.11.2011 17:50, schrieb Ross Gardler:
> On 21 November 2011 16:14, Rob Weir<>  wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Martin Hollmichel
>> <>  wrote:
>>> Shane,
>>> the reference to the Apache Project is required here, agreed. We are
>>> reworking the content of the pages to make the message more clear, your
>>> guidance on how to point to Apache OpenOffice project is appreciated here,
>> Hi Martin,
>> Before anyone cuts my head off, let me preface my remarks by stating
>> that this is my personal view, which others on the project may agree
>> or disagree with.   Personally, I agree with your high level goals, at
>> least as I understand them.  So I want you to succeed here.  But I did
>> review the website yesterday and noted
>> the following areas that appeared problematic to me.  IANAL, of
>> course, but I think these areas should be addressed:
> Thanks Rob (I promise I've not got my ace in hand right now, your head
> is safe ;-)
> In general I agree with Rob's points here. All uses of Apache marks
> must be in conformance with the Apache Software Foundations trademark
> policy. This can be found at [1]
> If anyone needs any help with interpreting that policy this is the
> first place to ask.
> If anyone wants to seek permission not granted by that policy then the
> process is defined at [2]
> Ross
> [1]
> [2]
>> 1) Apache owns the trademark on the blue&  black text +
>> birds logo.  The Team OpenOffice uses this logo on their home page
>> without
>> permission from Apache.
>> 2)  Apache owns the trademark on the name "".  This name
>> and its common abbreviation "OOo" are used throughout the website
>> without permission.
>> 3) Use of the confusingly similar name "Team OpenOffice" without
>> disclaimer stating they are not affiliated with the Apache OpenOffice
>> project or the Apache Software Foundation.
>> 4) The pervasive claims that Team OpenOffice is "saving
>>" without a disclaimer saying that they are not
>> affiliated with the Apache
>> OpenOffice project or the Apache Software Foundation.
>> 5) No where on the website do we see acknowledgement that
>> is a trademark of the ASF
>> 6) The website suggested that donors/sponsors can get their names
>> added to an release.
>> I would certainly be supportive of Apache granting permission for some
>> uses of the trademark by Team OpenOffice.  But I think (again, my own
>> personal opinion, so please everyone, stop sharpening those axes), the
>> primary goals should be:
>> 1) Make it clear to the visitor what the scope of Team OpenOffice
>> activities are compared to Apache activities.  Confusing these,
>> especially in the context of fundraising, is going to cause problems.
>> 2) Express your support of the Apache OpenOffice project and the
>> larger ecosystem, which I believe is well-intentioned and serious,
>> without blurring the distinction between what is Apache and what is
>> Team OpenOffice.
>> 3) Raising funds for your organization's activities, without using
>> Apache-owned trademarks in a way that could be confused as expressing
>> Apache support or participation in the fundraising.
>> Regards,
>> -Rob
>>> Martin
>>> On 11/21/11 2:19 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>>>> Note that the listed page is in no way associated with the ASF nor the AOO
>>>> podling, and as best I can tell is directly infringing on a number of
>>>> registered trademarks of the ASF.  I will be sending the admins of that
>>>> website an email shortly demanding that that page and similar fundraising
>>>> pages are taken down, and that their attempts (as it seems from that page)
>>>> to create what I can only imagine would be called 3.4 cease,
>>>> and immediately start using a new, non-infringing name.
>>>> At the ASF, our software is *always* free (as in no cost); the ASF will
>>>> *never* charge for either our source code our or project's software product
>>>> releases.
>>>> Any time you see someone stating or implying that you need to pay for any
>>>> ASF-hosted code you should be suspicious.
>>>> - Shane
>>>> On 2011-11-20 12:44 PM, Thomas Horn wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I've read on that
>>>>> you could become a "Source Code Sponsor" with your named displayed in
>>>>> 3.4 by paying EUR 5000.
>>>>> Do you really thinks that this is a good idea? I think that will lower
>>>>> the neutrality of the Apache Foundation as I before wasn't under the
>>>>> impression that you could buy yourself into Apache software.
>>>>> Greetings from
>>>>> Thomas

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