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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: Draft IP Review Plan for OpenOffice
Date Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:30:56 GMT
Good point, Dave.

I think one important consideration around this Opt-in provisions is also whether the download
is something that is authenticated in some manner or is at the user's risk.  I don't quite
know how that gets dealt with.  It may be that some arrangements for acquiring extensions
and templates from third parties should be decoupled enough to avoid confusion that these
are in any way authenticated for use with an Apache OpenOffice distribution.  A separate downloading
tool or even web page might be preferable for general sources of extensions and templates,
something that takes overt attention to use.

This also raises some issues about how authentication is established for the desirable cases
of easy opt-in.  For some cases, I can see the distribution including a list of sources and
keys that can be used to authenticate a download.  (How that is authenticated is an interesting
matter also.  Some sort of anti-tampering provision may be needed, perhaps with an additional
level of indirection -- so that it is not easy to tamper with the release:  It may be that
the list of authentic sources and keys is itself downloaded in a secure manner and kept current
by the run-time, allowing for additions and revocations.)

There are some established procedures by which an Apache Release is authenticated and verifiable.
 This needs to be extended to binaries produced and distributed from the project.  It will
not be possible for individuals who make their own builds from source to counterfeit that
authentication of their binaries.  (They can offer their own authentication, of course.  That's
always possible, though impersonation of Apache OpenOffice is frowned-up, to say the least.)

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Fisher [] 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:40
Subject: Re: Draft IP Review Plan for OpenOffice

On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Rob Weir wrote:

[ ... ]

Thanks. This is a good reference.

Here's an area where we either already know the answer or need clarification.

We've recently had the subject of language packs with various licenses and copyrights including
category X.  If point 5 of Source Release:

> 5. We may also have a build flag that permits the inclusion of weak copyleft, category-b
licensed modules (e.g., MPL).  When this flag is used, it could trigger the automated download
of such modules.  But this should require an explicit, informed choice from the user.  They
need to know that they are enabling the inclusion of non-Apache modules that have a different

If this statement is rewritten for Binary releases to allow informed installation of a Language
Pack whatever it's host, license and copyright might be - as long as on installation choices
were clearly visible and the user explicitly opts in or out.

This same IP framework could be used for Extensions and Templates - an area in total limbo
with no volunteers active.

These three areas are important to users and users would benefit if the whole "ecosystem"


> Regards,
> -Rob

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