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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: [DISCUSS]+[VOTE] Trademark and Branding
Date Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:02:03 GMT
At risk of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy about the length of this thread, I want to offer
a mild disagreement.

Here, there is pontification about a discussion that wasn't even held here.  The interpretations
have no ground.

It might be interesting to have the discussion where the discussion happened,

However, I don't think it matters there.  There were misunderstandings of fact about how [VOTE]
works and what is counted and what is decisive.  They were not corrected in time and that
might have had some not express their preference here.  Who knows how many such determinations
were made in silence by someone somewhere, completely unrelated to the Forum thread.

And our postulating the unfortunate situation of shut-outs where the shut-outs don't see it
is particularly weird.  

Now, whether ooo-dev is the lesser for their not having raised the questions, fears, disdain,
and concerns here, I cannot assess.  It didn't happen that way.  

 - Dennis

PS: I wholeheartedly agree that all of us are enriched by increasing participation of Forum
volunteers here on ooo-dev, on ooo-user, on the wiki, etc.  I am heartened that the subject
[VOTE] encouraged some of that.  I think it also needs to be accepted that many topics on
ooo-dev are not of interest, just as Forum threads may be uninteresting to those who participate
on ooo-dev for other reasons.  This is a broad, diverse community.  Having the Forums under
the incubator umbrella is a great reminder of that.

-----Original Message-----
From: TJ Frazier [] 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:22
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]+[VOTE] Trademark and Branding

Hi, Rory,

On 11/17/2011 13:47, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:07:37 -0500
> Rob Weir<>  wrote:
>> My point was that these volunteers, by not posting on ooo-dev,
>> shut themselves out of the debate.  They are grumbling about
>> their votes not counting.  I think they should be more
>> concerned about their views not being heard because their
>> self-imposed exclusion from the larger project discussions on
>> ooo-dev.  A vote is just a vote.  It is worth little.   But
>> having a well-argued point of view posted in the right place,
>> that is worth much.
> I think at this stage there is little point in discussion about
> what has happened.  The result is sufficiently decisive on either
> the overall votes or the PPMC votes that it can now be referred
> to Apache legal and trademarking for a decision, either on the
> main choice, or if this proves unacceptable for some legal reason,
> a clear alternative.
If we were a well-established and long-functioning group, I would agree 
with you 100% about excessive postmortems. But, we aren't. This sort of 
thing is both necessary and informative – as long as we don't create a 
thread longer than the [VOTE]! ;-)


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