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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
Subject RE: How to change the login of AOO BZ instance?
Date Sun, 13 Nov 2011 21:37:46 GMT
Ahah.  Yes.  

Agreed:

   In an issue or issue comment, any link with a BZ User Name 
   has a mailto: behind it.  It will be the *current* e-mail 
   that the account is set to forward to.

For example, I just changed my forwarding for orcmid@ openoffice.org in the AOO BZ to orcmid@
apache.org, and that is now what the "orcmid" link will open a new e-mail to if the link is
followed.  If you mouse over the link, you should see that address as well, depending on how
your browser does it.  And a clip-board copy of the link will bring the e-mail address.

I need to check that the log-in has not actually changed.  I think it is the forwarding address
that is shown, not the login id.  I also think the name on the link might be derived from
the full-name field in the account entry.

To change this requires some careful analysis of how BZ handles this and how it might have
been warped in having the migration work.  The alternative would be to have a profile-based
system that provided a mailing form that did not disclose the recipient's e-mail address.
 I don't know if it is in the Apache DNA (and I hesitantly mention that the Forums do exactly
that).

For ASF, it is important to have everything grounded to some concrete identifier.  The current
approach involves e-mail addresses, where committers are more grounded: there is a definite
connection between the Apache User Name/ID and an iCLA.  There is also a MailAlias registry
where other e-mails used by a committer can be listed (and known to all committers) so that
there use can still be recognized as theirs (by manually checking that list, usually).  

It is not a perfect system, but apparently good enough.  I suspect that, as a policy matter,
the forwarding mail associated with a BZ account is as important an identifier as the visible
e-mail addresses shown on mailing lists and elsewhere.

I wonder what conversation is needed to modify this.  Certainly, the registration process
for Bugzilla and other services established at AOO need to inform folks when the e-mail provided
as part of a registration or subscription will be made visible.  It is important for those
who fear scraping of their e-mail addresses for use by spammers, phishers, stalkers, and other
undesirables.  Each will determine how that risk is to be tolerated or mitigated.  (Any ASF
Privacy Policy statements should also indicate that there are conditions where an e-mail address
is always public.)

For Apache committers, those @apache.org e-mail addresses are public and easily obtained.
 Having them in convenient mailto: elements on a web page simplifies the work.  Still, I think
there is no escape.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de] 
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 12:38
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: How to change the login of AOO BZ instance?

[ ... ]

Sorry, but you still don't get it. ;-)

When I login in BZ and write comments to issues my full mail address is 
shown. When I change my address from "mla@openoffice.org" to a new one, 
this new mail address in shown in the comment header in issues and 
update mails from BZ.

<example quote>

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118518

orcmid <orcmid@openoffice.org> changed:

            What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Issue Type|DEFECT                      |TASK

--- Comment #1 from orcmid <orcmid@openoffice.org> 2011-10-17 04:36:20 
UTC ---
The issue on legal-discuss is LEGAL-104, at
<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-104>.

</example quote>

This is what I want to prevent.

OK, I can change to "marcus@apache.org". But I want to have just an ID 
or name or similar but no mail address.

I hope it's now clear. :-)

Marcus


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