Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 187157B21 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 31927 invoked by uid 500); 21 Oct 2011 01:07:05 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 31884 invoked by uid 500); 21 Oct 2011 01:07:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 31876 invoked by uid 99); 21 Oct 2011 01:07:05 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:07:05 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of gcaiod-ooo-dev@m.gmane.org designates 80.91.229.12 as permitted sender) Received: from [80.91.229.12] (HELO lo.gmane.org) (80.91.229.12) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:07:00 +0000 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RH3ZH-0006DH-3v for ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 03:06:39 +0200 Received: from adsl-69-228-81-103.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net ([69.228.81.103]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 03:06:39 +0200 Received: from glgxg by adsl-69-228-81-103.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 03:06:39 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org From: NoOp Subject: Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:06:25 -0700 Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <4E9F2EE4.1080500@openoffice.org> <00b401cc8f44$98ae9c70$ca0bd550$@acm.org> <017c01cc8f4b$c1a77c80$44f67580$@acm.org> <022201cc8f51$72b9bd80$582d3880$@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-69-228-81-103.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111012 Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5 In-Reply-To: On 10/20/2011 11:28 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Wolf Halton wrote: >> Do any of these lists have publicly accessible archives? It would be a >> shame to lose those, when the lists shut down. I suspect messages about OOo >> 1.x are pretty much dead, or at least the software is pretty much >> obsoleted. Those archives might be less useful. >> > > Yes, there is a MarkMail archive of 333 OOo mailing lists, 1.6 million > messages, going back to the project's start in 2000. > > See: http://openoffice.markmail.org/ ... I fail to understand why you continue to fall back on MarkMail for archives rather than simply pulling the archives over to an Apache server. MarkMail is a third party service that can terminate it's services at any time & have their own ToU. See: http://markmail.org/docs/terms-of-use.xqy 2. Provision of Service You understand and agree that MarkMail is provided to you on an as is and as available basis. You understand that MarkMail is experimental, that its availability may be intermittent, and that its content may be incomplete. Furthermore, We reserve the right, without any notice or liability to you, to change the functionality of the Service or to cease providing the Service at any time. Finally, We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone at our sole discretion. Might be worth reading the entire ToU... and http://markmail.org/docs/content-policy.xqy Content Not Complete Usage and Personal Information Point is that Apache have no control over MarkMail, or their services. Should MarkMail go belly up tomorrow Apache would have no archives at all. Certainly if list archivals like gmane, nabble, and MarkMail can do this without issue, Apache should be able to do the same... particularly since the lists are already archived on the kenai servers. http://kenai.com/projects/ooo-migration/lists http://kenai.com/projects/ooo-migration/pages/Home Or am I missing something/misunderstanding your reasoning to rely on a third party to archive the OOo lists?