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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:34:46 -0400
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal
From: Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
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On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Gavin McDonald <gavin@16degrees.com.au> wr=
ote:
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 8:17 AM
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Gavin McDonald
>> <gavin@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2011 2:52 AM
>> >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>> >> <orcmid@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > In reply to this message on ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org, vote for
>> >> > the acceptance of the proposal for governance and operation of the
>> >> > OpenOffice.org Forums within the Apache OpenOffice.org Podling.
>> >> > The Proposal text is at the October 12 version of wiki page
>> >> >
>> >>
>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Changes+integra
>> >> t
>> >> e+the+forums+into+the+AOOo+project>.
>> >> >
>> >> > The balloting will end midnight Friday, 2011-10-21T24:00Z, over 72
>> >> > hours from now.
>> >> >
>> >> > A majority of approvals over disapprovals constitutes acceptance of
>> >> > the proposal.
>> >> >
>> >> > [ =C2=A0] +1 approve
>> >> > [ =C2=A0] =C2=A00 abstain
>> >> > [ =C2=A0] -1 disapprove, for the following reasons:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> +0, which does not means "abstain" but means I have no objections,
>> >> +but
>> >> do not volunteer to help with the migration.
>> >
>> > It means abstain if the vote says so. Nobody is volunteering to do
>> > anything when they vote, they are approving, or not, or no opinion.
>> > All those people giving their +1 are not also offering to help with
>> > the migration, but saying with a positive vote that it should happen.
>> > Stop being so obtuse please and go with the flow a bit more to let
>> > things happen. Guidance is appreciated I'm sure, but don't throttle.
>> >
>>
>> The attentive reader would note that I did not vote "0". =C2=A0I voted "=
+0". =C2=A0My
>> vote means exactly what I say it means, nothing more, nothing less.
>
> I read exactly what you wrote, do not think I am not attentive.
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> Your arrogance around here lately is beyond belief, pack it in
>

Don't lecture me on voting, Gavin.  Read the the "Apache Voting
Process" [1], the section on "Implications of Voting", with my
emphasis:

"The tacit implications of voting should be spelt out in the
community's guidelines. However, in no case may someone's vote be
considered invalid if the implied commitment doesn't appear to be met;
***a vote is a formal expression of opinion, not of commitment***"

I am expressing my opinion in this vote, and my opinion is not going
to be limited to the three opinions that Dennis (or you) deigns to
offer me.

If it is arrogant to have an opinion beyond what you might have, then
thank God for arrogance!

[1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html

-Rob


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>> -Rob
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>> > Gav...
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>> >>
>> >> -Rob
>> >>
>> >> > GUIDELINES
>> >> >
>> >> > ANYONE MAY VOTE. =C2=A0BINDING VOTES for determining the outcome ar=
e
>> >> those
>> >> > cast by any of the 54 PPMC members (to be listed in a separate
>> >> > message). =C2=A0When the same individual casts more than one vote, =
the
>> >> > last-dated vote during the ballot period is taken as the final vote
>> >> > from that individual. =C2=A0Votes made anywhere but as replies to t=
he
>> >> > ooo-dev
>> >> list with this subject are not counted.
>> >> >
>> >> > DO NOT DISCUSS THE VOTING ON THIS THREAD. =C2=A0This thread is for =
the
>> >> > votes themselves, including explanations for -1 votes. =C2=A0Any ot=
her
>> >> > discussion related to this ballot, including discussions with
>> >> > anyone about their vote, should be on a separate threat with
>> >> > subject beginning
>> >> [VOTE][DISCUSS].
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > =C2=A0- Dennis E. Hamilton
>> >> > =C2=A0 tools for document interoperability, =C2=A0<http://nfoWorks.=
org/>
>> >> > =C2=A0 dennis.hamilton@acm.org =C2=A0gsm: +1-206-779-9430 =C2=A0@or=
cmid
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