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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 15:25:12 -0400
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Subject: Re: Staging OOo Site: Bugs and Improvements
From: Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org, dennis.hamilton@acm.org
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On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
> +1
>
> I agree that the PayPal and other specific donation pages on http:// *.op=
enoffice.org properties must be removed. =C2=A0Likewise the Team Office one=
. =C2=A0It is already established that these are inappropriate under Apache=
 governance. =C2=A0I believe it is appropriate to have a page that indicate=
s there are many ways to provide supporting donations, specifies where to d=
onate to ASF, and may list others with a disclaimer that the contributor sh=
ould satisfy themselves as to the purposes of other listed sites and that A=
SF has no liability whatsoever in providing links to them.
>
> With regard to uniqueness of the pages between the various NLs, I lean to=
ward that while also wanting the NL groups to be able to express their indi=
viduality. =C2=A0Having them be essentially similar in the main content, bu=
t translated into the NL, is valuable in many respects. It allows a non-NL-=
fluent person to figure out what the buttons and menu items are by knowing =
what they are on pages that are understood -- not unlike trouble-shooting a=
n NL install for someone who doesn't know that language. =C2=A0Having bi-li=
ngual information on the pages can be useful too.)
>
> If the pages are similar enough, having a flag-banner or other strip for =
choosing between languages is also useful, reducing the amount of searching=
 that has to be done in an unfamiliar language.
>
> =C2=A0- Dennis
>
> -1
>
> OK, back to the thread. =C2=A0I gave examples and wanted a way to report =
more in some systematic fashion so they could be handled systematically. =
=C2=A0Instead, there is processing in the e-mail. =C2=A0I wanted to avoid t=
hat (and here I am, doing it also). =C2=A0Wiki is not my favorite choice, b=
ecause nothing keeps my eye on it and I have to mess around subscribing to =
individual pages and dealing with wikiText editing. =C2=A0I think I'll try =
bugzilla, even though there may be considerable discussion on some topics, =
such as the PayPal and Donation discussion here.
>

I thought we discussed this on the list already.  There is a "www"
product in BZ with the description, "Covers website infrastructure and
mail list functionality, such as IssueTracker, bad links,
dysfunctional mail lists."  Why not just enter your issues there?  If
there is something that merits special notice, then post a note to
ooo-dev and link to the BZ issue.

-Rob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: J=C3=BCrgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischmidt@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 10:19
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Staging OOo Site: Bugs and Improvements
>
> On 10/31/11 5:55 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> [ ... ]
>>> 4. This page, for Downloads, linked from the ES home page, has a PayPal=
 button and solicits $25 donations for downloads:< =C2=A0http://ooo-site.ap=
ache.org/es/programa/index.html>. =C2=A0The solicitations are for the "oooE=
S" PayPal account.
>>
>> Yes, I've flagged that as well - Alexandro should be able to explain ooo=
ES. I think it is in a similar category to Team OpenOffice. I've found a pa=
ypal button in the Greek site to an individual for translation work. Not su=
re about others yet. I'll know when we're complete. These were all sanction=
ed at some point and I think the PPMC will need to decide policy in convers=
ation with trademarks@a.o.
>>
>
> i think it's very confusing to have this individual donation places and
> i would remove them all. Furthermore i would suggest that we really
> rethink our portal "www.openoffice.org" in the near future. I don't see
> the necessity of having too much different content on the localized
> pages. A 1:1 translation of the English pages should be ok for all.
> Maybe each regional page can have their own news feed to announce local
> events but that's it. We should keep it simple.
>
> All the community work and information specific to regional communities
> should move into the wiki and forum from my point of view. Main
> development work and communication around this is done in English anyway.
>
> And i don't think that this is similar to Team OpenOffice.org because
> Team OpenOffice.org was the only official instance that was allowed to
> collect donations from the OOo sites. All others were not allowed as far
> as i know. They were tolerated but not more. Don't ask me why, i have
> never understood this.
>
> well, that is my personal opinion
>
> Juergen
>
>
>