Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 20EB872DB for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:26:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 4363 invoked by uid 500); 28 Oct 2011 06:26:28 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 4305 invoked by uid 500); 28 Oct 2011 06:26:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 4295 invoked by uid 99); 28 Oct 2011 06:26:26 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:26:26 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of jogischmidt@googlemail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.161.47] (HELO mail-fx0-f47.google.com) (209.85.161.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:26:19 +0000 Received: by faas16 with SMTP id s16so3747015faa.6 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:25:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cbek7fPVAkwRdD22SRkzOfp6qpi6YxcX4s//nRnFaqQ=; b=ictYYUyHqJZreheUJzUfsC2LfhVcUanozASIlRQsH3lJgMJSMFKht2EzRs67CdD49m M/3msKDAE+eW5Z+QKcXdhla1DNqXpbj4JR6OlfRnK+LIObdZNKnaG2etErK6ELmcUyhF /Rtw01xkEgxZetWb8tRJGRbyYAF9//LEWTudM= Received: by 10.223.7.14 with SMTP id b14mr4033649fab.10.1319783158171; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macbook-jsc-009155131021.hamburg.de.ibm.com (deibp9eh1--blueice3n2.emea.ibm.com. [195.212.29.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l26sm3110326fad.17.2011.10.27.23.25.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4EAA4AF4.901@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:25:56 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?SsO8cmdlbiBTY2htaWR0?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [proposal] Neutral / shared security list ... References: <20111026154511.169080@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20111026154511.169080@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 10/26/11 5:45 PM, Andre Schnabel wrote: > > My gut feeling is, that we should skip this discussion for a while. At almost > all the topics we discusss here we come to a kind of emotional and religious > discussion. So it might be better to take a rest. > > For me it is quite hard to identify fields of collaboration, as long as there is > just one side with substantial contributions. E.g. it is hard to discuss about > sharing translations, as long as it unclear how AOOoI will handle translations. > > Same about code, we can argue for a very long time if and how there might be > ways for collaboration - but we will only se if our ideas really work, if there > is some substantial code at AOOoI. > > If I get the apache philosophy right, Apache assumes that contribution from > "other parties" will be seen, because those other parties aknowledge that > it is good for them (means it's much easier to include Apache code in their > producst if they contribute their own changes back). The problem here to me > seems to be, that there is hardly anything useful in AOOo for LibreOffice > *at the moment*. This indeed might change sooner or later (and I was pleased > to her from Jürgen that IBM staff is working hard to achieve that). > perhaps a good first start would be if LO mentioned every single bugfix or even bigger changes taken from AOO where it comes from. I am sure that will happen quite soon. We here at AOO invite every single developer to contribute back under the Apache license. In the end every single contributor has to decide on his own ;-) I prefer to work under the give-and-take basis. Juergen