Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7114198EE for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20611 invoked by uid 500); 25 Oct 2011 23:25:40 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 20554 invoked by uid 500); 25 Oct 2011 23:25:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 20545 invoked by uid 99); 25 Oct 2011 23:25:40 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:25:40 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of floeff@documentfoundation.org designates 178.63.91.70 as permitted sender) Received: from [178.63.91.70] (HELO bilbo.documentfoundation.org) (178.63.91.70) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:25:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bilbo.documentfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33A81BF230E for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:25:11 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d= documentfoundation.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :content-type:in-reply-to:references:subject:subject :mime-version:user-agent:organization:from:from:date:date :message-id:received:received; s=20110105; t=1319585109; bh=q2uj drrl7/9WXXOmP/PJZ96Z4KWGaMUnqiOjEHZJ5X8=; b=obhD9uYyVxBBNvy8f3AN F1xpqG6x2SHvcjiiyvCV4ANkJJXCGaTU8uDhtmMkB7x+OmnBafokFfCRIDjuzbkL DhgG7ag+xM2Z1vhf6ZTKyIdmPz04r0xZ3pajLkUqhN7TnKps387Td3gSI++pvDhC RjQRqoLZO42Eu4n/bz1xahg= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new-2.6.4 (20090625) at bilbo.documentfoundation.org Received: from bilbo.documentfoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bilbo.documentfoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with LMTP id 94IInKdWrrlx for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:25:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (178-27-248-82-dynip.superkabel.de [178.27.248.82]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: floeff) by bilbo.documentfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2ADB71BF22F5 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:25:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4EA74554.7010204@documentfoundation.org> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 01:25:08 +0200 From: Florian Effenberger Organization: The Document Foundation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Neutral / shared security list ... References: <1319037389.83728.YahooMailMobile@web113502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <34F3347E-B725-4C74-893F-2928417C448C@comcast.net> <8B104105-0BA2-4CBD-A2BF-C9BC28698CE0@webmink.com> <4D617A26-D7D8-4D3A-B771-77078FE9E00C@comcast.net> <4EA6D054.10704@googlemail.com> <4EA6DC2D.4010402@documentfoundation.org> <4EA6E1C3.4090703@documentfoundation.org> <4EA6E492.3000503@documentfoundation.org> <4EA6E7EA.4090800@documentfoundation.org> <4EA72B4E.2070702@documentfoundation.org> <4EA73970.2050207@oracle.com> <4EA73AD1.4060808@documentfoundation.org> <4EA73F20.1070505@oracle.com> In-Reply-To: <4EA73F20.1070505@oracle.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.2 OpenPGP: id=8C9A6155; url=http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x8C9A6155 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Hi, Andrew Rist wrote on 2011-10-26 00:58: > I will drop off this thread after this post, as it seems that things are > working toward a solution. I indeed hope for a solution soon. Too much time has been wasted already, rather than working productively, so if we really would move towards a solution, I'd applaud that. > I would suggest though that it is rather frustrating to see all of this > ink and blood spilt over what seems to be a misunderstanding. Well, if I recall, my initial proposal has been to simply keep things as is, with the existing list, the contacts on it, and the way things worked. I was told that this does not fit to the Apache way and does not work, that separate lists are required and so on and so on. I was proposing the easiest way in the beginning, it was not desired for some formal/philosophical/whatever reason. I tried again this time with proposing a neutral, trustworthy third-party to host things, hoping this will be accepted by all parties. Let's see how this turns out. Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff