Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A86577129 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30469 invoked by uid 500); 13 Oct 2011 00:08:18 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 30430 invoked by uid 500); 13 Oct 2011 00:08:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 30422 invoked by uid 99); 13 Oct 2011 00:08:18 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:08:18 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [74.208.4.195] (HELO mout.perfora.net) (74.208.4.195) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:08:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.105] (216-15-112-83.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com [216.15.112.83]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MH1qs-1RHyKM1JWk-00EF3t; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:07:49 -0400 Message-ID: <4E962BCE.409@shanecurcuru.org> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:07:42 -0400 From: Shane Curcuru User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)? References: <4E95D142.6010706@shanecurcuru.org> <4E9623E8.7030308@shanecurcuru.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:xiDe/zstszkdtXNEIA1aHTk2jYSsvsZ66jXeBEDo9Ny Q9I4NmmuMcCyQl44yub3djpm8Rr2RVWddDIKhYwn9GCAWxJhFv H1SmTQjWtWA0dgsLj3IGANkybJozpBtZjao+BJFdwEP/WeUx7i V6zWdldMdnouotvCAlTq5OSRSY5xHD2eq6L6TMfJIlx8B6vY3J vM2EviiDT7wT2dG3nM4izqnOMywYNQtTXsh+0HXxD7QKN0qy+r D0OMiVVOyfEYlvk5MfmPS7GuuB9WzB95WjVKc+ssjsVORHzytG p6T9HAtJIsBOGBzyqwrnp9TV2VxIojWf3KUmkjGHd9rrHnl3Fe kjhI8u6PAos8esH5MOz4= X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 10/12/2011 8:01 PM, Rob Weir wrote: ...snip... > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: >> I'm just trying to understand what some of the other previous expectations >> around OOo governance and the brand were, so we can better explain what the >> new governance structure is (i.e., this PPMC and the Apache Way) and how we >> (and others) should refer to the OOo brand now. >> > > I think the old structures were universally derided and caused much > discontent, leading in part to the Novell fork and then to > LibreOffice. I see no benefit to dredging this up again. No one is > advocating replicating the former project structures. Er, no, I have no interest in replicating former project structures either. But I would like to understand what they were - especially (briefly) who was on them and what specific names and brands they used - so that we can understand what the rest of the world might still be thinking about the term "OpenOffice". This is not about us changing how we work internally. I'm thinking (in this thread) about how to better explain to the world what's happened, what things are now gone (like the CC and ESC and a whole bunch of OOo project organizations), and what cool new things we're going to be building (from this PPMC and a forthcoming Apache OOo product). Especially because the more I think about it, we're really not doing a very good job at all explaining who we are and what we're doing. At least not in the ways I'd hope to see it explained in terms that the *rest* of the world understands. - Shane, starting to appreciate the scope of expectations for OOo