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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Publishing the PPMC Roster
Date Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:10:27 GMT
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <> wrote:
> <orcmid note="Responses to Rob's questions in-line" />
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir []
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 17:48
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> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Publishing the PPMC Roster
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <> wrote:
>> I notice that it is possible to know who are the PMC members of a top-level
>> project (although it takes some work).
>> I have not found any visible place where Incubator PPMC rosters can be found
>> automatically.
>> I think it would be a good idea to have such a roster visible to the public
>> and, especially, this list.
>> That way, you would know who has taken on a commitment to participate in the
>> governance of the Apache OOo Podling.
>> Also, in the case of a ballot carried out on this ooo-dev list, it is a
>> formal
>> way to confirm whose votes are binding.
>> I propose to begin a lazy consensus that continues for 5 days ending
>> midnight
>> Friday, 2011-10-14T24:00Z.
>> Unless there is some Apache policy that prohibits this action, and no
>> serious
>> objection, I will go ahead and arrange for the PPMC roster to be published
>> on
>> an appropriate incubator page.
> That sounds like a discussion point more than a proposal.  A proposal might
> say:
> 1) What page will contain this information?
> <orcmid>
>  I have no preference.  It could be on the AOOo web site.  It could be on the
>  current podling incubator status page,
>  at <>
> </orcmid>

I like the idea of using the podling's status page, since we need to
update that page in any case when a new committer comes on board.

> 2) Is updating the page a manual or automated process?
> <orcmid>
>  It would have to be semi-manual, I think.  There is an automated
>  list of ooo-private subscribers, but not everyone on that list is
>  on the PPMC.  I also have a list that identifies everyone on the
>  PPMC that I update as part of the committer/PPMC intake workflow.
>  The spreadsheet with that list is in a private-to-the-PPMC SVN
>  repository area.
> </orcmid>

I thought only list moderators can get the list of subscribers.  Are
you a moderator of ooo-private?

That approach could work, especially since we're supposed to subscribe
to that list using our Apache alias.

> 3) Who will do the updating?
> <orcmid>
>  I will do it initially.  I will document the procedure so anyone on the PPMC
>  could take it over.
> </orcmid>
> 4) How are you determining who is on the PPMC?  Based on vote?  Based
> on subscribing to ooo-private?  Based on an authorization file?
> <orcmid>
>  I am not aware of anything like an authz for PPMC members.
>  I use the fact that they are invited or elected to be on the PPMC and
>  they have actually established themselves on the PPMC by subscribing
>  to ooo-private.  I propose that someone who has been invited to the
>  PPMC, is established as a committer, and has not subscribed to ooo-
>  private to not be established as a PPMC member since they have not
>  arranged to follow PPMC discussions and participate in voting.
> </orcmid>

What about that authorization file for the private SVN repository?
Would that yield a list of PPMC members?  Or is that really just a
committers list?

> I might be a +1 or -1 depend on answers to the above questions.  For
> example, I'd be against a manual process that yields the wrong answer.
> But I do like the idea in general of listing the PPMC members.  Or
> even better have a single list that is annotated per roles, e.g. PPMC
> member, committer, mentor.
> <orcmid>
>  The current spreadsheet does annotate individuals by their role,
>  and it might be usefully extracted in the form needed for the
>  table.  It can even be sorted by role to mimic the current
>  table entries.
> </orcmid>
> -Rob

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