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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: Is there an org chart of the previous OOo governance(s)?
Date Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:01:01 GMT
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Shane Curcuru <> wrote:
> OK, so there was the Community Council and the ESC, as well as the "leads"
> and participants on an array of Projects that worked on specific areas of
> OOo code, websites, outreach, conferences, everything.
> Since all these organizations effectively were tied to Sun/Oracle, has
> Oracle officially updated or dissolved those organizations explicitly? Or
> was that part of the transition from Oracle to the ASF that wasn't covered?

Apache is a reboot.  The previous organization is formally irrelevant.
 There is no need for anyone to formally dissolve the old structures.
When we made an incubation proposal that became the project's new

> I'm just trying to understand what some of the other previous expectations
> around OOo governance and the brand were, so we can better explain what the
> new governance structure is (i.e., this PPMC and the Apache Way) and how we
> (and others) should refer to the OOo brand now.

I think the old structures were universally derided and caused much
discontent, leading in part to the Novell fork and then to
LibreOffice.  I see no benefit to dredging this up again.  No one is
advocating replicating the former project structures.


> - Shane
> On 10/12/2011 4:13 PM, Donald Harbison wrote:
>> Well, you can take a look at ...and see
>> the
>> structure of work division by project and the names of people who were
>> associated with those projects in the past.
>> There was an Engineering Steering Committee (ESC) where the Sun developer
>> staff met with volunteers, but it was largely a Sun/Oracle led affair.
>> See:
>> "The responsibility of the ESC is as follows:
>>    - Provide advice on technical implementations in case of conflicting
>>    interests.
>> It is not the forum for making technical decisions in general, this
>> remains
>> in the responsibility of the project leads.
>>    -
>>    Their advice can be overruled by the Community Council."
>> Since all the project leads were Sun/Oracle employees, the ESC was
>> intended
>> to take input, but not necessarily follow it.
>> TDF evolved it to look like:
>> The Community Council charter is here:
>> ...
>> Juergen Schmidt may be able to provide more insight here when he can catch
>> up to the list as he was a member of the CC.
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Shane Curcuru<>
>>  wrote:
>>> What's the best place to (quickly) learn just who was who and what groups
>>> did what in the previous OOo life at Oracle?
>>> I see things like Community council and Engineering steering council and
>>> lots of projects, but it's not clear yet how they were supposed to be
>>> related or helped to manage each other.
>>> It might be helpful to work on some simple explanations/diagrams of how
>>> OOo
>>> used to work, and then show how the new Apache OOo is working.
>>> I don't really think this will help. We have the project wiki established
>> with a proposed structure. What we haven't done so well is to produce a
>> 'Welcome, start here' FAQ and so forth. Dennis offered the first blog
>> entry
>> on that way back in July.
>> I will offer to update that as soon as I get my credentials to Roller from
>> infra.
>> /don
>>> - Shane

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