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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: [SPAM] Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists
Date Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:00:36 GMT
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<> wrote:
> John,
> [answering quickly without having seen more-recent posts yet]
> I believe it is the Apache Community Wiki (aka OOOUSERS) that
> is intended to receive the list of still-active OO.o mailing lists that need
> to have some sort of arrangements made for migration, one way or another:
> <>.
> The proposal here is to the effect that OO.o lists will be shut down and that
> there will be some select number of ooo-yourListNameHere@
> lists offered as Apache project alternatives.
> One problem being faced is that Apache infrastructure does not have an
> existing way to preserve the OO.o lists in their present form, with the
> subscription mechanism connection to User IDs (and other means
> of subscription), the archives, and, I suppose, the @OO.o list names.

I don't think that is an accurate statement of the problem.  We
currently have over 300 mailings lists.  Many of them
are abandoned, many of them overrun with spam.   And we have thriving
lists here at Apache.   Having the community split between 303
different lists is harmful to the community.  It divides our energy.
We should be looking to combine these lists together into as few lists
as necessary to maintain focus, but without dividing the conversations
of the community.  The problem so far is that we have created new
lists at Apache without shutting down the existing lists.

I would be a strong -1 for anyone who proposed to recreate the 300+
lists at Apache.  I'd like to improve collaboration within the
community, not merely "preserve the OO.o lists in their present form",
which I think most observers would admit is a mess today.

> To do otherwise requires this project coming up with the necessary personnel
> to accomplish some less-disruptive approach.  Also, individuals who are
> already able to administer and moderate those lists are needed to support such
> a migration.  That needs to be sustaining support.  Apache Infrastructure can
> provide the platform, but maintenance and operation of the service, to the
> extent that it is unique here, must be supported by volunteers from the Apache
> project.  That includes not only moderators, but
> administrators, including site administration for the running mailing-list
> software.
> John, are you able to support us having something less apocalyptic for when
> the web site is moved to ASF custody?  Do you have contact with
> those who can?
>  - Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Boyle []
> <
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:01
> To:
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists
> On 10/19/2011 5:57 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> <
> [ ... ]
> To the developers: What" wiki" are you talking about? I guess I have
> missed some e-mails, but I do object to having the current mailing lists
> removed, as it does not make any sense to do so!:-(

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