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From Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Areas for cooperation between AOOO and LO [was: Cooperation withRe: Neutral / shared security list ...]
Date Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:38:32 GMT
Seems to me that while the focus is political point scoring, aggression,
sarcasm and such the chances of getting cooperation are zero.

On 25 October 2011 00:32, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 25 Oct 2011, at 00:56, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Simon, do you have any other ideas for cooperation, preferably ones
> >> that are not redundant?
> >
> > While I am amused that your first words after "hopefully will attract
> fewer trolls" themselves include a mean-spirited troll, I'm sorry you think
> a collaborative security mailing list with shared, collaborative ownership
> is "redundant".
> >
>
> We already have a collaborative security mailing list that has 4 LO
> members on it, as well as several AOOo members, representatives from
> other vendors, security experts from Linux distros, etc.  So we are
> already there.  Creating a new list for the same thing would be
> redundant.
>
> > We clearly have very different views of the world. I continue to think
> such a list holds great opportunity for collaboration since it was working
> in that role for many months, but it's hard to see how it can now be the
> securityteam@ list, unfortunately (unless your'e speaking alone, of
> course).
> >
>
> As above, the list exists and LO and AOOo members are already on it,
> Time to declare success and find additional areas to collaborate.
>
> >>  I suggested cooperating on translations via
> >> a shard Pootle instance.
> >
> > Hard to see how that would work since it would require the source to be
> highly similar and that looks unlikely to be the case.
> >
>
> I think the value would come from the "translation memory" aspect.  So
> even if we had different source files, the UI's of the products are
> nearly identical, and the underlying concepts of the products remain
> very the same and likely will remain so for the foreseeable future.
> (it is not like spreadsheets and word processors have changed much in
> the past decade).  So there may be some value in sharing translation
> memory of basic concepts and repeated patterns that are common to
> describing both products.
>
> It also makes it easier for translators who wish to contribute to both
> products at once, similar to what ODF Authors has done for
> documentation.
>
> >>   Or maybe code browsing/searching facilities
> >> with OpenGrok.  Or either of those possible?
> >
> > Hard to see how two very different source trees can have a shared
> browser. It would be best for Apache to run its own instance.
> >
> >> Or maybe work on a collaborative Q&A site as an alternative user
> >> support option?
> >
> > Plausible in the future but a little early to be proposing it - YAGNI
> applies.
> >
>
> A little too early? It looks like someone is already trying this for
> LO, but they are failing to get enough participation needed to
> graduate on StackExchange.  So it looks like an area ripe for
> collaboration:
>
> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/24564/libreoffice
>
> >>   Or maybe a shared template and extensions site?
> >
> > I believe I once proposed such a thing, and was told by both communities
> that licensing issues would largely prevent it.
> >
>
> I certainly proposed such a thing, and licensing was not an issue in
> my proposal.  Maybe we should revisit, if you think this is a possible
> area for collaboration?
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> > Delighted to hear you are now such a fan of co-operation though, Rob.
> I'll be sure to support any viable proposals you present to both
> communities.
> >
>
> I'll continue to float the ideas by you first, Simon.  I'd like you to
> be able to find some success in your goal to lead these projects to
> find areas to collaborate.
>
> -Rob
>
> > S.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



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