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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Mailing list user migration: Staging and volunteers
Date Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:31:02 GMT
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> A quick summary of where we are, in case you haven't been following
>> >> the previous threads.
>> >>
>> >> Information on the top 100 legacy mailing lists is on the wiki [1].
>> >> A draft note that will be sent to these lists is an another page [2].
>> >>
>> >> If you note in that first page, the "Migration Owner" column is blank.
>> >>  So either I need to quickly learn French, Dutch and Japanese, or I
>> >> need some help here.
>> >>
>> >> Volunteers would translate the note, send it to the relevant NL lists,
>> >> and be available on those lists to answer any migration-related
>> >> questions.  Ideally you would already be a participant on the lists
>> >> and familiar to that community.
>> >>
>> >> As for staging, I'd recommend that we do not do this all at once.
>> >> Migrating 100 lists at once would be very messy.  But we can easily
>> >> break this down into related groups of lists and do the migration over
>> >> a few weeks.  One possible staging would be:
>> >>
>> >> 1) All the lists that will be merged into the new ooo-marketing list.
>> >> This will help jump start that lists important work, and bring
>> >> community members into the discussion who might not have been
>> >> interested in the other topics we've been discussing on ooo-dev.
>> >>
>> >> 2) All of the lists that will be merged into ooo-dev
>> >>
>> >> 3) All of the lists that will be merged into ooo-users
>> >>
>> >> 4) NL lists (which could be done in parallel with the above.  However,
>> >> they will require some discussion and admin work to create new
>> >> ooo-lang lists,)
>> >>
>> >> The thought behind this staging is that we "work out the kinks" with
>> >> the more technical and (hopefully) more forgiving project lists,
>> >> before moving on to the user and NL lists.  We can adjust the
>> >> instructions and messaging based on what we learn from the initial
>> >> migrations.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> -Rob
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Have the "new" NL lists been setup already? I may have missed that and I
>> > haven't look at any jira tix.
>> >
>>
>> No NL lists yet, except for Japanese.  We need moderator volunteers
>> before we can request them.
>>
>> Process for getting a new mailing list created is here:
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#new-mailing-list
>>
>> Probably makes sense to start with the largest NL communities first?
>>
>> >
>> >> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Mailing+lists
>> >> [2]
>> >>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Email+Migration+Post
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > MzK
>> >
>> > "This is no social crisis
>> >  Just another tricky day for you."
>> >                 -- "Tricky Day", the Who
>> >
>>
>
> OK. In terms of process, it's kind of a Catch-22 with the NL lists I guess.
> We can't have them without moderators, and it's unlikely we'll get
> (volunteer) moderators until we have them <sigh>. What to do...
>
> The ones in the first block on:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Mailing+lists
>
> through website.dev should be good for the initial message you've got. And,
> I'm sure they're all English-speaking.
>
> Where are you with any of this? Do you need some of us to do subscriptions
> and get started? Maybe we could assign blocks from the first part of the
> page above? I'm happy to help. I don't have a lot of time on a daily basis,
> but could probably do at least 10 over the next few days. I would be happy
> to deal with sc.dev thru website.dev.
>
> I'll start on subscriptions to these pronto. IT might be a good idea if we
> decided to do the messaging on the same day though. Thoughts.
>
>
>
>
> I took ownership of the ones I'm working on. I hope to get notifications
sent tomorrow to most, or by Sunday pm at the latest.


> --
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "This is no social crisis
>  Just another tricky day for you."
>                  -- "Tricky Day", the Who
>
>


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MzK

"This is no social crisis
 Just another tricky day for you."
                 -- "Tricky Day", the Who

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