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From "Marcus (OOo)" <marcus.m...@wtnet.de>
Subject Re: How to handle the native language lists?
Date Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:15:23 GMT
Am 10/22/2011 12:53 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>
>
> On 10/20/2011 04:04 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>> Am 10/20/2011 09:04 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>> Proposal:
>>>
>>> 1) Create a single user-language list for each native language where
>>> there is an active user list today, and where we can identify three
>>> committed moderators, preferably at least one from the PMC.
>>
>> Before this I would ask on all language-respective MLs if someone is
>> still at home and would like to come over to ASF; also because the OOo
>> MLs will be shutdown in x days. Even when the most requests will be in
>> English (as we cannot translate the text into all languages) we should
>> get feedback. So, as more people will respond it will justify a new ML.
>>
>>> If there is currently a discuss list as well as a user list in that
>>> language, combine then into the user list.
>>>
>>> Currently, that would mean the creation of the following new lists
>>> (assuming we find moderators), like:
>>>
>>> ooo-users-de (German)
>>> ooo-users-fr (French)
>>> ooo-users-it (Italian)
>>> ooo-users-es (Spanish)
>>> ooo-users-br-pt (Brazilian Portuguese) (or can we generalize this to
>>> pt in general?)
>>
>> Yes, lets start with a common ML.
>>
>>> ooo-nl (Dutch)
>>> ooo-ja (Japanese)
>>
>> Do you mean a different one as we have already a "ja" one?
>
> This looks fine but is there some way we can keep the naming convention
> the consistent for all -- i.e. ooo-"lang" vs. ooo-users-"lang".
>
> I think it would make things easier in the long run.

+1

More than a (ooo-general-"lang") and (ooo-users-"lang") ML shouldn't be 
necessary at the start. If there is already a need to have 2 ML and not 
only the "general" one.

Here it looks already fine:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Mailing+lists

Marcus



>>> There may be other language we want to cover as well. The list
>>> above is intended to illustrative, not exclusive. The important thing
>>> is that when dealing with users, we need to meet them on their terms,
>>> not ours. The request for at least three moderators is because a user
>>> list needs more than just spam protection. We need moderators
>>> committed to actively participate on those lists. A user list that
>>> has been abandoned is very bad for the image of the project. Since
>>> the PPMC cannot easily monitor what is happening on a non-English
>>> mailing list, we will need to have high confidence that there are
>>> sufficient volunteers on the list to make it succeed.
>>
>> IMHO we should still wait for a number of users and interested people of
>> a specific language. Otherwise we have some MLs but no people.
>>
>> For example, many weeks ago I've seen a request to create a German ML
>> but after that no more support and therefor the request is dead.
>> However, until today I don't see sorrow about this.
>>
>>> 2) For project-related (as opposed to user-related) lists, align them
>>> with the closest existing AOOo list.
>>>
>>> For example:
>>>
>>> de.business --> ooo-marketing
>>> nl.marketing --> ooo-marketing
>>> fr.dev --> ooo-dev
>>>
>>> and so on. We're a single Apache project with a single product.
>>> Although there may be local marketing efforts, there should be a
>>> single marketing conversation. Ditto for other aspects of the
>>> project.
>>>
>>> The net result will be take 300+ existing OOo mailing lists and map
>>> them to a much smaller number of AOOo mailing lists, maybe a dozen
>>> total in the end. This will require understanding and good will from
>>> all. Non-native English speakers and native speakers will need to
>>> adjust how they interact, and in general be more understanding.
>>>
>>> So that's my proposal. I have my asbestos underwear on. Feel free to
>>> start the flaming,
>>
>> Ahm, you know that asbestos is cancer-causing? I would recomment to
>> change to Teflon-coated underwear (should be comfortable up to 327 °C
>> resp. 620 °F). Otherwise cancer is not far away. :-P
>>
>> SCNR
>>
>> Marcus

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