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From Kay Schenk <>
Subject Re: How to handle the native language lists?
Date Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:53:54 GMT

On 10/20/2011 04:04 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> Am 10/20/2011 09:04 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>> Proposal:
>> 1) Create a single user-language list for each native language where
>> there is an active user list today, and where we can identify three
>> committed moderators, preferably at least one from the PMC.
> Before this I would ask on all language-respective MLs if someone is
> still at home and would like to come over to ASF; also because the OOo
> MLs will be shutdown in x days. Even when the most requests will be in
> English (as we cannot translate the text into all languages) we should
> get feedback. So, as more people will respond it will justify a new ML.
>> If there is currently a discuss list as well as a user list in that
>> language, combine then into the user list.
>> Currently, that would mean the creation of the following new lists
>> (assuming we find moderators), like:
>> ooo-users-de (German)
>> ooo-users-fr (French)
>> ooo-users-it (Italian)
>> ooo-users-es (Spanish)
>> ooo-users-br-pt (Brazilian Portuguese) (or can we generalize this to
>> pt in general?)
> Yes, lets start with a common ML.
>> ooo-nl (Dutch)
>> ooo-ja (Japanese)
> Do you mean a different one as we have already a "ja" one?

This looks fine but is there some way we can keep the naming convention 
the consistent for all -- i.e. ooo-"lang" vs. ooo-users-"lang".

I think it would make things easier in the long run.

>> There may be other language we want to cover as well. The list
>> above is intended to illustrative, not exclusive. The important thing
>> is that when dealing with users, we need to meet them on their terms,
>> not ours. The request for at least three moderators is because a user
>> list needs more than just spam protection. We need moderators
>> committed to actively participate on those lists. A user list that
>> has been abandoned is very bad for the image of the project. Since
>> the PPMC cannot easily monitor what is happening on a non-English
>> mailing list, we will need to have high confidence that there are
>> sufficient volunteers on the list to make it succeed.
> IMHO we should still wait for a number of users and interested people of
> a specific language. Otherwise we have some MLs but no people.
> For example, many weeks ago I've seen a request to create a German ML
> but after that no more support and therefor the request is dead.
> However, until today I don't see sorrow about this.
>> 2) For project-related (as opposed to user-related) lists, align them
>> with the closest existing AOOo list.
>> For example:
>> --> ooo-marketing
>> --> ooo-marketing
>> --> ooo-dev
>> and so on. We're a single Apache project with a single product.
>> Although there may be local marketing efforts, there should be a
>> single marketing conversation. Ditto for other aspects of the
>> project.
>> The net result will be take 300+ existing OOo mailing lists and map
>> them to a much smaller number of AOOo mailing lists, maybe a dozen
>> total in the end. This will require understanding and good will from
>> all. Non-native English speakers and native speakers will need to
>> adjust how they interact, and in general be more understanding.
>> So that's my proposal. I have my asbestos underwear on. Feel free to
>> start the flaming,
> Ahm, you know that asbestos is cancer-causing? I would recomment to
> change to Teflon-coated underwear (should be comfortable up to 327 °C
> resp. 620 °F). Otherwise cancer is not far away. :-P
> Marcus


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