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From "Marcus (OOo)" <marcus.m...@wtnet.de>
Subject Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists
Date Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:45:55 GMT
Am 10/21/2011 12:27 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
>
>
> On 10/20/2011 03:22 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
> < -- snipped -->
>
>>>
>>> My guess here is that it is highly unlikely that lists of users or
>>> the forwarding map will be made available. The best approach for
>>> contacting these users is to send messages to the various ML.
>>>
>>> Also, there is no imminent shutdown of the ML infrastructure or any
>>> of the other infrastructure hosted on Kenai (including the hg&
>>> svn). The hosting for the forums and wiki is going away, and we
>>> need to look at doing the cut-over.
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification. It really helps. Are there other
>> services that will go away when the forums and mediawiki do?
>>
>> Regards, Dave
>
> ...and, what's the drop-dead date for these? actually I guess
> anything at
>
> xxxx.services.openoffice.org

If so, then also download.s.oo.o will be dead sooner than later. 
However, we have not done a transition to Apache and its network.

The currently used Mirrorbrain service seems not welcomed at ASF as it 
would mean to install and support another software currently only for 
this podling.

Marcus



>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Rob Weir
>>>> [mailto:robweir@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011
>>>> 09:29 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [Proposal]
>>>> Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>>>> <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote:
>>>>> The moderator-issued subscription e-mail seems useful,
>>>>> especially because it is done as an opt-in (requiring
>>>>> confirmation from the recipient). If the list to be retired
>>>>> was informed of this process, its near-automatic operation
>>>>> could be considered.
>>>>>
>>>> I don't see how this could work. Maybe if you happen to be a
>>>> moderator of the legacy list and are willing to take on yourself
>>>> any personal liability related to data protection laws. But I
>>>> don't see how this would work in general. Any thing we do to
>>>> automate this would still require proactive action by the user,
>>>> either sending an email, clicking a mailto: link in an email, or
>>>> going to a website and entering their email address. They would
>>>> need to do an action like that, and then respond to the
>>>> confirmation email.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> - Dennis
>>>>>
>>>>> THINKING OUT LOUD
>>>>>
>>>>> With regard to the messages from ezmlm, I wonder if these are
>>>>> ones that are customizable by list. I thought they were. A
>>>>> valuable way to do this might be to include a link to an
>>>>> English-language version of the message in all NL ones.
>>>>> Pointing to other useful web pages might also be valuable. I
>>>>> notice that ezmlm is designed to work relying on e-mail alone
>>>>> and that should be preserved, but links to web-based support is
>>>>> also valuable and is very useful to link to. The web page
>>>>> could also deal with thing such as what OOo lists does this one
>>>>> replace, where are the archives for the original list(s), etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> OPEN ITEMS
>>>>>
>>>>> It strikes me that there remains the issue I see, in that the
>>>>> ooo-younameit @ i.a.o lists are considerably less friendly than
>>>>> the theynamedit@ OO.o lists.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Rob Weir
>>>>> [mailto:robweir@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011
>>>>> 07:57 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [Proposal]
>>>>> Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Andrea Pescetti
>>>>> <pescetti@openoffice.org> wrote: <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would turn the post you describe into a warning that the
>>>>>> mailing list address will change, including all information
>>>>>> about Apache but not requiring users to take action. I
>>>>>> volunteer to consolidate the 12 lists into 3 and to subscribe
>>>>>> users to the right ones (of course, being "project owner" of
>>>>>> it.openoffice.org, I have a list of all subscribers to the 12
>>>>>> lists).
>>>>>>
>>>>> I did an experiment on how we can subscribe users to the
>>>>> mailing list automatically. I looked just at the technical
>>>>> aspect of this. I did not look at the legal or policy
>>>>> implications.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moderators of Apache lists can subscribe new users to the list,
>>>>> by sending a specially addressed email to the list manager.
>>>>> For example, to subscribe foo@bar.com to this list, you would
>>>>> send an email to:
>>>>>
>>>>> ooo-dev-subscribe-foo=bar.com@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Note the @ in the address is replaced by an =
>>>>>
>>>>> A moderator can do the above, but this still will generate a
>>>>> confirmation email, to foo@bar.com, in English:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>
>>>>> "Subject: confirm subscribe to ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
>>>>> ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org mailing list.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at
>>>>> ooo-dev-owner@incubator.apache.org.
>>>>>
>>>>> To confirm that you would like
>>>>>
>>>>> foo@bar.com
>>>>>
>>>>> added to the ooo-dev mailing list, please send a short reply to
>>>>> this address:
>>>>>
>>>>> ooo-dev-sc.XXXXX.XXXXX-foo=bar.com@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button. If
>>>>> this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
>>>>> the "To:" field of a new message.
>>>>>
>>>>> or click here:
>>>>>
>>>>> mailto:ooo-dev-sc.XXXXX.XXXXXX-foo=bar.com@incubator.apache.org"
>>>>>
>>>>>
> -----------------
>>>>>
>>>>> So with the moderator rights available to us now, we can't do a
>>>>> fully automated sign up of existing list members, even if we
>>>>> had resolved the legal and policy issues. I don't know if
>>>>> there are other, administrative functions in ezmlm that could
>>>>> be used, by Apache Infra, to more fully automate this.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob

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