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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists
Date Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:27:35 GMT


On 10/20/2011 03:22 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> On Oct 20, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>
>>
>>
< -- snipped -->

>>
>> My guess here is that it is highly unlikely that lists of users or
>> the forwarding map will be made available. The best approach for
>> contacting these users is to send messages to the various ML.
>>
>> Also, there is no imminent shutdown of the ML infrastructure or any
>> of the other infrastructure hosted on Kenai (including the hg&
>> svn). The hosting for the forums and wiki is going away, and we
>> need to look at doing the cut-over.
>
> Thanks for the clarification. It really helps. Are there other
> services that will go away when the forums and mediawiki do?
>
> Regards, Dave

...and, what's the drop-dead date for these? actually I guess
anything at

xxxx.services.openoffice.org


>
>>
>> Andrew
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Rob Weir
>>> [mailto:robweir@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011
>>> 09:29 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [Proposal]
>>> Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>>> <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>   wrote:
>>>> The moderator-issued subscription e-mail seems useful,
>>>> especially because it is done as an opt-in (requiring
>>>> confirmation from the recipient).  If the list to be retired
>>>> was informed of this process, its near-automatic operation
>>>> could be considered.
>>>>
>>> I don't see how this could work.  Maybe if you happen to be a
>>> moderator of the legacy list and are willing to take on yourself
>>> any personal liability related to data protection laws.  But I
>>> don't see how this would work in general.  Any thing we do to
>>> automate this would still require proactive action by the user,
>>> either sending an email, clicking a mailto: link in an email, or
>>> going to a website and entering their email address.  They would
>>> need to do an action like that, and then respond to the
>>> confirmation email.
>>>
>>>
>>>> - Dennis
>>>>
>>>> THINKING OUT LOUD
>>>>
>>>> With regard to the messages from ezmlm, I wonder if these are
>>>> ones that are customizable by list.  I thought they were.  A
>>>> valuable way to do this might be to include a link to an
>>>> English-language version of the message in all NL ones.
>>>> Pointing to other useful web pages might also be valuable.  I
>>>> notice that ezmlm is designed to work relying on e-mail alone
>>>> and that should be preserved, but links to web-based support is
>>>> also valuable and is very useful to link to.  The web page
>>>> could also deal with thing such as what OOo lists does this one
>>>> replace, where are the archives for the original list(s), etc.
>>>>
>>>> OPEN ITEMS
>>>>
>>>> It strikes me that there remains the issue I see, in that the
>>>> ooo-younameit @ i.a.o lists are considerably less friendly than
>>>> the theynamedit@ OO.o lists.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Rob Weir
>>>> [mailto:robweir@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011
>>>> 07:57 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [Proposal]
>>>> Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Andrea Pescetti
>>>> <pescetti@openoffice.org>   wrote: <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> I would turn the post you describe into a warning that the
>>>>> mailing list address will change, including all information
>>>>> about Apache but not requiring users to take action. I
>>>>> volunteer to consolidate the 12 lists into 3 and to subscribe
>>>>> users to the right ones (of course, being "project owner" of
>>>>> it.openoffice.org, I have a list of all subscribers to the 12
>>>>> lists).
>>>>>
>>>> I did an experiment on how we can subscribe users to the
>>>> mailing list automatically.  I looked just at the technical
>>>> aspect of this.  I did not look at the legal or policy
>>>> implications.
>>>>
>>>> Moderators of Apache lists can subscribe new users to the list,
>>>> by sending a specially addressed email to the list manager.
>>>> For example, to subscribe foo@bar.com to this list, you would
>>>> send an email to:
>>>>
>>>> ooo-dev-subscribe-foo=bar.com@incubator.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> Note the @ in the address is replaced by an =
>>>>
>>>> A moderator can do the above, but this still will generate a
>>>> confirmation email, to foo@bar.com, in English:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----------------
>>>>
>>>> "Subject:  confirm subscribe to ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
>>>> ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org mailing list.
>>>>
>>>> I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at
>>>> ooo-dev-owner@incubator.apache.org.
>>>>
>>>> To confirm that you would like
>>>>
>>>> foo@bar.com
>>>>
>>>> added to the ooo-dev mailing list, please send a short reply to
>>>> this address:
>>>>
>>>> ooo-dev-sc.XXXXX.XXXXX-foo=bar.com@incubator.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button. If
>>>> this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
>>>> the "To:" field of a new message.
>>>>
>>>> or click here:
>>>>
>>>> mailto:ooo-dev-sc.XXXXX.XXXXXX-foo=bar.com@incubator.apache.org"
>>>>
>>>>
-----------------
>>>>
>>>> So with the moderator rights available to us now, we can't do a
>>>> fully automated sign up of existing list members, even if we
>>>> had resolved the legal and policy issues.  I don't know if
>>>> there are other, administrative functions in ezmlm that could
>>>> be used, by Apache Infra, to more fully automate this.
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>
>

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