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From floris v <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Review of Forums Agreement
Date Tue, 18 Oct 2011 08:45:11 GMT
Op 18-10-2011 10:23, Ross Gardler schreef:
> On 18 October 2011 09:15, floris v<>  wrote:
> ...
>> A vote may be purely ceremonial, but it would kind of make clear how many
>> people actually care enough for (or against? - dubious English, but you get
>> the point) the project to vote.
> In principle this is true. People would vote +1 to indicate that they
> intend to help and +0 to indicate they support the idea but won't be
> contributing directly.
> In practice though people often vote +1 to indicate support.
> If the forum volunteers want to make sure there are enough people
> wanting to support the move with action then a vote with a clear
> "please only vote +1 if you will be active in the forums in some way"
> might be a good idea. Although I would have thought such an activity
> would be best carried out in the forums where the currently active
> volunteers are. I think it is clear the PPMC will gladly host the
> forums and ensure the necessary infrastructure is provided.
> However, again I'm not saying *don't* have a vote, just trying to help
> the project understand how best to implement the Apache Way. Whether
> my words are entirely appropriate to this case is for those doing the
> work to decide.
> I will observe though that talking about it is wasting even more time ;-)
> Ross
> Ross
We have been running the forums for nearly four years, without, to my 
knowledge, any interference from the host (first Sun, later Oracle). We 
have always claimed to be independent (that is: we aren't an extension 
of the customer service dept of Sun or Oracle) and claimed that the 
developers didn't visit the forums, so that the forums aren't the right 
place for filing bug reports or feature requests (of course we would 
link to the issue tracker if we could find an associated report, or file 
an issue if the reporter finds the task too daunting, and encourage 
people to vote for it).
The most important support that we want from the Apache community is the 
assurance that the forums are welcome and that Apache is the right place 
for them.

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