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From Kay Schenk <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Publishing the PPMC Roster
Date Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:25:19 GMT
I think this is a wonderful idea and I would like to add an additional 
item -- can we get a list of folks who have submitted iCLAs toward this 
project, assuming they've filled in the "notify project" item?

Another great mystery that might be nice to have unveiled.

and yep, I tried to get a list of subscribers to "dev" and no go for me. :(

On 10/10/2011 08:03 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> <orcmid note="more comments inline">
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir []
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 06:10
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Publishing the PPMC Roster
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton<>  wrote:
>> <orcmid note="Responses to Rob's questions in-line" />
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Weir []
>> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 17:48
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Publishing the PPMC Roster
>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton<>  wrote:
>>> [ ... ]
>> 1) What page will contain this information?
>> <orcmid>
>>   I have no preference.  It could be on the AOOo web site.  It could be on the
>>   current podling incubator status page,
>>   at<>
>> </orcmid>
> I like the idea of using the podling's status page, since we need to
> update that page in any case when a new committer comes on board.
> <orcmid>
>     I concur.  A separate comment indicates that this is the practice
>     for other projects, and it is the ideal case.  It is also possible
>     for us to maintain that page with some degree of automation.
> </orcmid>
>> 2) Is updating the page a manual or automated process?
>> <orcmid>
>>   It would have to be semi-manual, I think.  There is an automated
>>   list of ooo-private subscribers, but not everyone on that list is
>>   on the PPMC.  I also have a list that identifies everyone on the
>>   PPMC that I update as part of the committer/PPMC intake workflow.
>>   The spreadsheet with that list is in a private-to-the-PPMC SVN
>>   repository area.
>> </orcmid>
> I thought only list moderators can get the list of subscribers.  Are
> you a moderator of ooo-private?
> <orcmid>
>     No, I am not a moderator of ooo-private.  However, the automated
>     crosscheck.html report that Sam Ruby's script puts into the ooo-PPMC
>     private SVN confirms who is on ooo-private as part of the cross-
>     checking.
> </orcmid>
> That approach could work, especially since we're supposed to subscribe
> to that list using our Apache alias.
>> 3) Who will do the updating?
>> <orcmid>
>>   I will do it initially.  I will document the procedure so anyone on the PPMC
>>   could take it over.
>> </orcmid>
>> 4) How are you determining who is on the PPMC?  Based on vote?  Based
>> on subscribing to ooo-private?  Based on an authorization file?
>> <orcmid>
>>   I am not aware of anything like an authz for PPMC members.
>>   I use the fact that they are invited or elected to be on the PPMC and
>>   they have actually established themselves on the PPMC by subscribing
>>   to ooo-private.  I propose that someone who has been invited to the
>>   PPMC, is established as a committer, and has not subscribed to ooo-
>>   private to not be established as a PPMC member since they have not
>>   arranged to follow PPMC discussions and participate in voting.
>> </orcmid>
> What about that authorization file for the private SVN repository?
> Would that yield a list of PPMC members?  Or is that really just a
> committers list?
> <orcmid>
>    I don't have visibility on any authz related to the ooo-PPMC private
>    SVN.  It is a sub-tree of repos/private/pmc/incubator/ and I don't know
>    how it is authorized.
> </orcmid>
> [ ... ]


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