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From Maho NAKATA <cha...@mac.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal - Inclusiveness
Date Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:04:01 GMT
+1

Just a note: I am a global moderator of OpenOffice.org Community Forum
Japanese.
http://user.services.openoffice.org/ja/forum/

Thanks,
 Nakata Maho

From: "Dennis E. Hamilton" <orcmid@apache.org>
Subject: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal - Inclusiveness
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:43:05 -0700

> Thanks Ross, I wish to correct what I have done:
> 
> THE IMPORTANT PART
> 
> Please, anyone: If you wish to have your preference known concerning this 
> proposal, please cast a vote.  It establishes a sense of what overall 
> participation in ooo-dev and others think concerning the acceptance of the 
> proposal.  The PPMC will definitely pay attention, as will all observers. 
> That's an important contribution available to all who receive this message.
> 
> Note that I have changed this message to the [VOTE][DISCUSS] where anyone is 
> welcome to speak up on the voting itself.  Please use the [VOTE] thread for 
> voting, the way that all voters have done so far.
> 
>  - Dennis
> 
> BACKGROUND ON HOW THE APPROACH WAS TAKEN
> 
> I thought it important to provide the distinction around binding votes because 
> this is not on a private list where all votes are clear.  My model was the 
> vote held on general@incubator.apache.org as part of the acceptance of 
> OpenOffice.org as an Apache podling.  That is my only experience of a [P]PMC 
> Vote conducted on a public discussion list.
> 
> With regard to listing the PPMC: The PPMC roster is not currently visible 
> outside of the PPMC.  It seemed important for others to have a sense of who 
> this Project Management Committee is.  I think it is rather a mystery for the 
> OpenOffice.org Forum operators and also many other ooo-dev visitors.  There is 
> consensus to list the PPMC on the OpenOffice.org Incubator Status page. I 
> though it useful to make the roster available earlier in conjunction with this 
> event.
> 
> I regret any suggestion that anyone's vote is unimportant. I apologize.  All 
> votes will be tallied.  In presenting the results, I will differentiate the 
> PPMC-cast votes.  I did not want to surprise someone who was expecting some 
> different way of determining the outcome.  This is not straw poll. It is a 
> vote of the PPMC to accept a proposal on behalf of the project.  I suppose it 
> is a PPMC vote with a straw poll of all of the ooo-dev subscribers and other 
> posters thrown in.
> 
> Please, anyone: If you wish to have your preference known concerning this 
> proposal, please cast a vote.  It establishes a sense of what overall 
> participation in ooo-dev and others think concerning the acceptance of the 
> proposal.  The PPMC will definitely pay attention, as will all observers. 
> That's an important contribution available to all who receive this message.
> 
>  - Dennis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgardler@opendirective.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 15:51
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: How voting works...
> 
> I'm not going to dig into all the details of how a vote is called in the ASF.
> 
> In posting this I am not asking for the current vote to be recalled,
> there is no need.
> 
> I am just wanting to flag something that concerns me about how the
> vote was called (and as per usual this is just advice from a mentor,
> these are not rules that must be adopted).
> 
> In an ASF community everyone is entitled to an opinion. Everyone
> should be encouraged to express that opinion in a formal vote, just as
> much as they should be encouraged to express their opinions in day to
> day discussion.
> 
> It is true that only some members of the community have binding votes.
> However, this only becomes important in the event of an absence of
> community consensus.
> 
> Therefore, when calling a vote please do not word it in such a way
> that implies others in the community do not have a vote that counts.
> It does count. A responsible PPMC member will use their own vote to
> support any appropriate objections from the community. They can only
> do that if the community is encouraged to express their views
> alongside everyone else..
> 
> Specifically, there is no need to define binding votes in the vote
> thread, the way Apache Projects vote is well documented and, over
> time, the AOOo project will gain its own guidelines. Secondly, do not
> list the people who are "important" enough to have a binding vote.
> Thirdly, explicitly call for all community members to express their
> preferences in the vote.
> 
> In other words, make every action of the PPMC as inclusive as possible.
> 
> Finally, Denis - thank you for calling the vote.
> 
> Ross
> 
> -- 
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orcmid@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:56
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal
> 
> Dave, thanks for your questions.
> 
> My reading as the initiator of the [VOTE]:
> 
> The vote is solely on the acceptance of the proposal.  The proposal is the
> text so identified on the OOOUSER web page.
> 
> Actions that are called for require their own execution, including further
> discussion as needed.  Finally, personnel matters are not discussed here or
> voted on here ever, as far as I know.  In any case, it is not part of this
> vote.  I recommend that no such discussion occur here.
> 
> Likewise, there is nothing in the statement of the vote that suggests who will
> do what, regardless of table-talk to that effect.  It is not part of the
> ballot measure.
> 
>  - Dennis
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 09:54
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE][DISCUSS] Acceptance of the OpenOffice.org Proposal
> 
> When voting for the proposal are we (or are we not) voting for "Initial
> Committers / PMC"
> 
> Rory O'Farrell - RoryOF - ofarrwrk at iol.ie
> 
> Ricardo Gabriel Berlasso - RGB-es on the Spanish forums (Admin) - rgb dot mldc
> at gmail dot com
> 
> If I am not mistaken that formality needs to occur on ooo-private as a
> separate process. I have started a [DISCUSS] thread there. Normally a DISCUSS
> / VOTE on ooo-private is NOT discussed in public. I think an exception should
> be made here to assure the community that the whole of the proposal is being
> fairly "processed" by the PPMC.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> On Oct 18, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> 
>> In reply to this message on ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org, vote for the
>> acceptance of the proposal for governance and operation of the
>> OpenOffice.org
>> Forums within the Apache OpenOffice.org Podling.  The Proposal text is at
>> the
>> October 12 version of wiki page
>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Changes+integrate+the+forums+into+the+AOOo+project>.
>>
>> The balloting will end midnight Friday, 2011-10-21T24:00Z, over 72 hours
>> from
>> now.
>>
>> A majority of approvals over disapprovals constitutes acceptance of the
>> proposal.
>>
>> [  ] +1 approve
>> [  ]  0 abstain
>> [  ] -1 disapprove, for the following reasons:
>>
>>
>> GUIDELINES
>>
>> ANYONE MAY VOTE.  BINDING VOTES for determining the outcome are those cast
>> by
>> any of the 54 PPMC members (to be listed in a separate message).  When the
>> same individual casts more than one vote, the last-dated vote during the
>> ballot period is taken as the final vote from that individual.  Votes made
>> anywhere but as replies to the ooo-dev list with this subject are not
>> counted.
>>
>> DO NOT DISCUSS THE VOTING ON THIS THREAD.  This thread is for the votes
>> themselves, including explanations for -1 votes.  Any other discussion
>> related
>> to this ballot, including discussions with anyone about their vote, should
>> be
>> on a separate threat with subject beginning [VOTE][DISCUSS].
>>
>>
>> - Dennis E. Hamilton
>>   tools for document interoperability,  <http://nfoWorks.org/>
>>   dennis.hamilton@acm.org  gsm: +1-206-779-9430  @orcmid
>>
>>

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