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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists
Date Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:35:08 GMT
I like your proposal. I have some comments inline.

On Oct 16, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

> I'm making a proposal now to shut down the legacy OOo mailing lists
> and direct the existing subscribers to one of the AOOo mailing lists.
> I realize that this is not the solution that many of us would prefer,
> but I believe that it is the best way forward that anyone is willing
> to volunteer to lead.  Please delight me by proving me wrong on this,
> by objecting this this proposal *and volunteering to do an alternative
> migration*.   But this approach is more graceful than the default, if
> we do nothing, of just having the lists just go down one day and not
> recover.
> Proposal:
> If not one objects and offers to lead a different transition plan, in
> one week I will do the following:
> 1) Make a list of all public legacy OOo mailing lists that have
> received at least 5 non-spam email in 2011.
> 2) Publish that list on the wiki, along with :
> a) the language predominately spoken on the list, if not English
> b) the recommended AOOo list that existing subscribers should be pointed to.

c) the list's OOo/Kenai project.

At the end of the week the ML list should be incorporated in the OOo properties that Dennis
and I are "noodling" over. (Language is another property.)

> 3) I will then draft, in English,  a post to be send to the above
> lists.  The post will talk about the overall effort of the migration
> to Apache, the specific migration of the mailing lists, and invite the
> subscribers to stay informed and to participate in the new Apache
> lists.  Information on how to subscribe will be provided.  A shutdown
> date, for the legacy lists will be included, two weeks from the
> posting date.

It would be good to co-ordinate this message with a general timeline for the OOo migration.
We should be clear about what is NOT being migrated and what is possible if the community

> 4) I will invite volunteers to translate the draft post into other languages.
> 5) I, and whatever volunteers wish to help, will send the posts to the lists.
> 6) The note will be repeated a week later.
> 7) After two weeks we request via Oracle that the Kenai admins close
> the lists, per:

In the three to four weeks that it will take to get to step (7) AOOo and Apache Infra should
have control over the MX records. An easier alternative would be to decide
what MX services we want to continue on and do the MX migration at this point.
Even if it will bounce and/or forward email.

> -Rob

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