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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: [DISCUSS] Review of Forums Agreement
Date Tue, 18 Oct 2011 00:46:37 GMT
The stated [DISCUSS] expiration of midnight, today, 2011-10-17T24:00Z has arrived.

The discussion has quieted and there appears to be no objection to conducting a [VOTE] ratifying
the PPMC acceptance of the proposal, with the modest adjustments that were made.

On a different thread, it was observed that, since there is no further discussion, and there
was no opposition, the proposal should be considered ratified, a sort of lazy consensus:

I want to be clear, that this [DISCUSS] was not for voting but to review the proposal in preparation
for voting.  Although it might be assumed that there is no objection to the proposal's adoption
by the PPMC, that was not the question.

I am also concerned that the Forum operators are being denied an important
ceremonial act on our part.  

Since it would take as long to introduce a lazy consensus, now, as to actually conduct the
[VOTE], I intend to go ahead with the [VOTE] once I come up with an appropriate wording and
message.  Then it will all be clear, won't it?

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Grobmeier [] 
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 00:09
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Review of Forums Agreement

2011/10/13 J├╝rgen Schmidt <>:
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <>wrote:

> Wondering why the discussion is on the wiki as comments?
> Juergen

There was discussion on this list, onn the forum, on the wiki and then
back on the forum. These wiki comments are meanwhile outdated, you can
basically ignore them, except you have an "historical interest". But
then you should also read the forums.


>> Once discussion of the Draft Proposal has quieted by that time or later,
>> discussion can stop.  If it is then evident that a ratifying ballot on
>> acceptance of the Draft Proposal by the Apache OO.o Podling can be held, a
>> separate [VOTE] will be initiated on the ooo-dev list for that purpose.
>> Ratification of the Draft Proposal will establish the commitment of the
>> Apache
>> OO.o Podling to implementation of the proposal and honoring its provisions
>> for
>> governance of the Forums as part of the Apache OO.o Podling.
>> The Draft Proposal represents the current thinking of the
>> Forums operators.  PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THE DRAFT PROPOSAL page.
>> Instead, discuss suggestions and modifications on this list and await any
>> changes to be made as the Forum operators choose to offer
>> improvements in response to the discussion, including based on ooo-dev
>> suggestions of their own.
>> When it is concluded that the Draft Proposal is in a final condition
>> suitable
>> for ratification, the Forum operators will notify us of
>> their
>> readiness (repeatedly if there is still ongoing discussion and
>> improvement).
>>  - Dennis


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