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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: [DISCUSS] Publishing the PPMC Roster
Date Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:03:21 GMT
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [] 
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 06:10
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Publishing the PPMC Roster

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <> wrote:
> <orcmid note="Responses to Rob's questions in-line" />
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir []
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 17:48
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Publishing the PPMC Roster
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <> wrote:
>> [ ... ]

> 1) What page will contain this information?
> <orcmid>
>  I have no preference.  It could be on the AOOo web site.  It could be on the
>  current podling incubator status page,
>  at <>
> </orcmid>

I like the idea of using the podling's status page, since we need to
update that page in any case when a new committer comes on board.

   I concur.  A separate comment indicates that this is the practice
   for other projects, and it is the ideal case.  It is also possible
   for us to maintain that page with some degree of automation.

> 2) Is updating the page a manual or automated process?
> <orcmid>
>  It would have to be semi-manual, I think.  There is an automated
>  list of ooo-private subscribers, but not everyone on that list is
>  on the PPMC.  I also have a list that identifies everyone on the
>  PPMC that I update as part of the committer/PPMC intake workflow.
>  The spreadsheet with that list is in a private-to-the-PPMC SVN
>  repository area.
> </orcmid>

I thought only list moderators can get the list of subscribers.  Are
you a moderator of ooo-private?
   No, I am not a moderator of ooo-private.  However, the automated
   crosscheck.html report that Sam Ruby's script puts into the ooo-PPMC
   private SVN confirms who is on ooo-private as part of the cross-

That approach could work, especially since we're supposed to subscribe
to that list using our Apache alias.

> 3) Who will do the updating?
> <orcmid>
>  I will do it initially.  I will document the procedure so anyone on the PPMC
>  could take it over.
> </orcmid>
> 4) How are you determining who is on the PPMC?  Based on vote?  Based
> on subscribing to ooo-private?  Based on an authorization file?
> <orcmid>
>  I am not aware of anything like an authz for PPMC members.
>  I use the fact that they are invited or elected to be on the PPMC and
>  they have actually established themselves on the PPMC by subscribing
>  to ooo-private.  I propose that someone who has been invited to the
>  PPMC, is established as a committer, and has not subscribed to ooo-
>  private to not be established as a PPMC member since they have not
>  arranged to follow PPMC discussions and participate in voting.
> </orcmid>

What about that authorization file for the private SVN repository?
Would that yield a list of PPMC members?  Or is that really just a
committers list?

  I don't have visibility on any authz related to the ooo-PPMC private
  SVN.  It is a sub-tree of repos/private/pmc/incubator/ and I don't know
  how it is authorized.

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