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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: Staging OOo Site: Bugs and Improvements
Date Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:18:30 GMT

I agree that the PayPal and other specific donation pages on http:// * properties
must be removed.  Likewise the Team Office one.  It is already established that these are
inappropriate under Apache governance.  I believe it is appropriate to have a page that indicates
there are many ways to provide supporting donations, specifies where to donate to ASF, and
may list others with a disclaimer that the contributor should satisfy themselves as to the
purposes of other listed sites and that ASF has no liability whatsoever in providing links
to them.

With regard to uniqueness of the pages between the various NLs, I lean toward that while also
wanting the NL groups to be able to express their individuality.  Having them be essentially
similar in the main content, but translated into the NL, is valuable in many respects. It
allows a non-NL-fluent person to figure out what the buttons and menu items are by knowing
what they are on pages that are understood -- not unlike trouble-shooting an NL install for
someone who doesn't know that language.  Having bi-lingual information on the pages can be
useful too.)

If the pages are similar enough, having a flag-banner or other strip for choosing between
languages is also useful, reducing the amount of searching that has to be done in an unfamiliar

 - Dennis


OK, back to the thread.  I gave examples and wanted a way to report more in some systematic
fashion so they could be handled systematically.  Instead, there is processing in the e-mail.
 I wanted to avoid that (and here I am, doing it also).  Wiki is not my favorite choice, because
nothing keeps my eye on it and I have to mess around subscribing to individual pages and dealing
with wikiText editing.  I think I'll try bugzilla, even though there may be considerable discussion
on some topics, such as the PayPal and Donation discussion here.

-----Original Message-----
From: J├╝rgen Schmidt [] 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 10:19
Subject: Re: Staging OOo Site: Bugs and Improvements

On 10/31/11 5:55 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
> On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
[ ... ]
>> 4. This page, for Downloads, linked from the ES home page, has a PayPal button and
solicits $25 donations for downloads:<>.
 The solicitations are for the "oooES" PayPal account.
> Yes, I've flagged that as well - Alexandro should be able to explain oooES. I think it
is in a similar category to Team OpenOffice. I've found a paypal button in the Greek site
to an individual for translation work. Not sure about others yet. I'll know when we're complete.
These were all sanctioned at some point and I think the PPMC will need to decide policy in
conversation with trademarks@a.o.

i think it's very confusing to have this individual donation places and 
i would remove them all. Furthermore i would suggest that we really 
rethink our portal "" in the near future. I don't see 
the necessity of having too much different content on the localized 
pages. A 1:1 translation of the English pages should be ok for all. 
Maybe each regional page can have their own news feed to announce local 
events but that's it. We should keep it simple.

All the community work and information specific to regional communities 
should move into the wiki and forum from my point of view. Main 
development work and communication around this is done in English anyway.

And i don't think that this is similar to Team because 
Team was the only official instance that was allowed to 
collect donations from the OOo sites. All others were not allowed as far 
as i know. They were tolerated but not more. Don't ask me why, i have 
never understood this.

well, that is my personal opinion


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