Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 786B67A71 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2011 12:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 68073 invoked by uid 500); 2 Sep 2011 12:28:02 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 68027 invoked by uid 500); 2 Sep 2011 12:28:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 68019 invoked by uid 99); 2 Sep 2011 12:27:58 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 12:27:58 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of grobmeier@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.213.175] (HELO mail-yx0-f175.google.com) (209.85.213.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 12:27:53 +0000 Received: by yxl11 with SMTP id 11so992938yxl.6 for ; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 05:27:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+gF5pHdsmH8OzCDD1eV5kDkVTM5y10peQEecu61+IWA=; b=EovgpkVNPSnIW22J+rC+wYAgFqK5XEi3llJ4CkOqdNUMcxIfkiRfjkWQPI+jmbdwKA 2nH0M6eizjQMhXzXY51r7uS4L7zKvA1lY8Zf7+XWGI/JXdyxMlvhqdlcGJwH/RdCoWo1 SjcRzoe4L09NTLE5ZgvA3A/t7yidvOFoZMGPs= Received: by 10.42.108.71 with SMTP id g7mr903229icp.436.1314966452129; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 05:27:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.176.71 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Sep 2011 05:27:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4E5FB6F0.2060504@ellisons.org.uk> <4E5FC756.5010106@ellisons.org.uk> <4E5FD55C.40207@ellisons.org.uk> <4E5FE090.2020506@apache.org> <014801cc68e5$d5fd5290$81f7f7b0$@acm.org> <1314911707.1938.55.camel@sybil> <4E60193C.4090304@shanecurcuru.org> <4E606C19.40005@ellisons.org.uk> From: Christian Grobmeier Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 14:27:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> In tradition, all ASF related matters - code, users etc - are >> discussed in public on the dev list. The user lists has been utilized >> to do support to users. Now there is an forum in addtiion to a list. >> The credo is:"if it happened on list, it didn't happen". Ok, the board >> is not on list - so it didn't happen. I think management of the board >> can also happen on the board as Terry suggested (i think he did). >> > > That logic doesn't really work. =C2=A0The fact that it is not a mailing > list (and therefore "it didn't happen") is not magical permission to > do things in a project that would otherwise not be allowed. =C2=A0For > example, could we create a forum for project-level fundraising, for > paying developers, for developing code not under ALv2 and for selling > CD's of AOOo, and argue that this is OK, because, "the board is not on > list - so it didn't happen"? i just wanted to outline that a forum is already extraordinary for support questions. Using message boards for support questions but not using it to ban users from the same board sounds strange. For the quote I used I would like to refer you to this excellent slides: http://bit.ly/rkUbSM Anyway: all projects decisions should happen on list and not on Jabber or on a message board. I am doubting the banning of a user is a "real" project decision. On your example, if you are paying developers for proprietary code or sell CDs outside the ASF and donate the money - why not? You should just respect the branding requirements and do it on your own.