Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C68BA99B5 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 6974 invoked by uid 500); 29 Sep 2011 17:12:59 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 6936 invoked by uid 500); 29 Sep 2011 17:12:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 6928 invoked by uid 99); 29 Sep 2011 17:12:59 -0000 Received: from minotaur.apache.org (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:12:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (HELO mail-vw0-f47.google.com) (127.0.0.1) (smtp-auth username robweir, mechanism plain) by minotaur.apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:12:59 +0000 Received: by vwe42 with SMTP id 42so689951vwe.6 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:12:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.75.168 with SMTP id d8mr10657272vdw.421.1317316378034; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.94.69 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:12:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <125D6208-C55D-45CC-B9A5-381564BF9B33@comcast.net> References: <4E82C3C1.7000008@hdsnet.hu> <20110928075854.e1b8be8272f5369ecee8f735@iol.ie> <4E82F039.3080306@gmail.com> <1317205706.1961.78.camel@sybil>

<20110929095409.18c78097f3e46f465052ad65@iol.ie> <125D6208-C55D-45CC-B9A5-381564BF9B33@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:12:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Forums not reachable From: Rob Weir To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Dave Fisher wrote= : > > On Sep 29, 2011, at 1:54 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: > >> On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:00:04 +0200 >> Christian Grobmeier wrote: >> >> >>> >>> It is is still a confusing situation, and we finally started a draft >>> of the necessary changes: >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Changes+integrate+= the+forums+into+the+AOOo+project >>> but as you can see, it is incomplete and not yet voteable. Some more >>> work is required. The offline time of the boards does not help, of >>> course :( >>> >>> Hope I have expressed everything very well. >> >> Very well (and fairly) expressed, Christian. >> >> The comments by Peter Roelhofsen (floris_v on the forum) on the wiki pag= e cited above in general express the overall view of forum volunteers, I th= ink; we mostly feel that trying to impose the existing Apache structure on = the forms is overkill and may stifle it. =C2=A0I recommend that the comment= s on the wiki page be carefully read; =C2=A0note that the forum is willing = to modify its structures to fit in with Apache, but there does not seem to = be a similar flexibility on the Apache side. > > We are individuals and volunteers here and some of us were busy with our = paying jobs when this all blew up on the ooo-dev ML a few weeks ago. Some m= ay appear less flexible than others. We are waiting for an actual proposal. > +1 Also, if those who have been working on a proposal find themselves circling around over the same issues and not finding a resolution, I'd recommend starting a thread on ooo-dev, summarizing the remaining issue, and start a discussion here. Maybe getting more eyes on the remaining issues will bring in some different perspectives, new ideas. -Rob > Given that http://ooo-forums.apache.org/ exists you can see that Apache I= nfrastructure has done everything needed. It is up to the project to mainta= in and administrate the forum VM. > > The technical key is the inclusion of someone to manage the instance as h= osted by Apache. If the TDF is how the Forums wish to go then it is up to t= hem how, once known AOOo is certainly happy to point to that location. > >> The forum downtime (which I hope is being worked upon) does not help us = move towards a decision. > > I would hope that the forum downtime will help the forum owners decide to= actually do a move until then the "orphaned" machines in Oracle's Hamburg = office are subject to whatever events happen without anyone watching. All w= e can do here is report it to our Oracle contact in California and wait whi= le he finds someone with the spare cycles to go find out what happened and = give the forum machine a "kick". > > Regards, > Dave > >> -- >> Rory O'Farrell > >