Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EE1F7019 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 63372 invoked by uid 500); 30 Sep 2011 15:50:57 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 63310 invoked by uid 500); 30 Sep 2011 15:50:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 63301 invoked by uid 99); 30 Sep 2011 15:50:57 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:50:57 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of simon@webmink.com designates 74.125.82.43 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.82.43] (HELO mail-ww0-f43.google.com) (74.125.82.43) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:50:50 +0000 Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27so2854300wwf.0 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.11.15 with SMTP id r15mr4565137wbr.112.1317397829944; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (172.79.2.81.in-addr.arpa. [81.2.79.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gd6sm9724316wbb.1.2011.09.30.08.50.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Having New Committers also be on the PPMC From: Simon Phipps In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:50:27 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <543CC476-7BF9-41F6-8D3E-E80DC2F7149B@webmink.com> References: <00cf01cc7f0d$90fec5a0$b2fc50e0$@apache.org> <207D9978-C34F-4358-9801-92115CE75C1C@webmink.com> <5845FF88-D7F6-4DCE-9F44-B6E1136AB9ED@webmink.com> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 30 Sep 2011, at 16:35, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Simon Phipps = wrote: >>>>>> What is the actual current harm you are seeking to correct, Rob? = I had assumed this sort of lock-down would wait until graduation from = the incubator once it was clear what worked and what didn't. >>=20 >=20 > I'd recommend rereading my response to Ross. Rory seems to get it. > But I'm not really obligated to argue a point that I am not making, > namely "actual current harm". I'm willing to concede that fact, as > well as the fact that I have fire insurance even though my house is > not currently on fire, or that I pack a lunch even though I'm not > currently hungry, or that I try to steer the Podling toward > reasonable, sustainable long term decision making processes, even > though we have not graduated. Given you agree there is no current harm, and given that the problem you = appear to be addressing is arguably not one Apache expects to arise = given The Apache Way, is there really a problem with waiting until = graduation (at the earliest) to adjust the project's governance? S.=