Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EFE337A63 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 58250 invoked by uid 500); 6 Sep 2011 14:13:10 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 58178 invoked by uid 500); 6 Sep 2011 14:13:10 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 58170 invoked by uid 99); 6 Sep 2011 14:13:09 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:13:09 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [74.208.4.194] (HELO mout.perfora.net) (74.208.4.194) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:13:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (216-15-112-83.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com [216.15.112.83]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MHHEh-1QwFQj11c3-00ECzV; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:12:39 -0400 Message-ID: <4E662A52.9000703@shanecurcuru.org> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:12:34 -0400 From: Shane Curcuru User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [RT] Create a second incubator podling - the ooo forums References: <1315311423.20412.YahooMailNeo@web161425.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20110906133708.3a466d8710ae85364391b14c@iol.ie> <4E661990.6080308@shanecurcuru.org> <20110906134250.GB16183@daniel3.local> In-Reply-To: <20110906134250.GB16183@daniel3.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:QLBQIe6X/xqvNN+Mc+iRbrvRmZeULYFlTRHt54N+ClH ybPGzqaZ2HhH3Zlx17npGmHhmqLNv3n7H6kI/cnbSKR5k2JN8m 5FwUU9Vwszv03kJTVsqM/4Rxv6uHw1HGpH4NvmuvslvnVnzDnw ZO9zUi3Di6sUjD5RZE58IyJBIHt5Q0Yl+P2XzXSXbvVX1ri0KJ yJ5rBnEhxWSmDUZvfkBuOCUKWWoMp+lQgKv4Ro4w1zc10tony/ nNN0iCkNAUNEkPS8LeLMhctxbl/rGjRcDLhkI8gHbnkowjF9mI vyCtfmoCAg+wEUlDKQ46t3Lk4NpSTKyqHMcWHkbQUzZBilnwlb Cl3+OODVe9ajBI4/Cd+S3X3mR2yzg+iVLXICr/7Sa X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 9/6/2011 9:42 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Shane Curcuru wrote on Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 09:01:04 -0400: >> The fundamental issues requiring some sort of agreement or change are: >> >> 1 - The Oracle servers the forums live on are going away (someday). >> Hence, the existing technical and organizational leaders of the >> forums *must* migrate the code and content somewhere else. >> > > Here you say "somewhere else"... > >> This primarily needs folks like Terry and... who else? to start >> driving the work, in conjunction with this PPMC and then Apache >> infrastructure. > > ...but here you assume a very specific value for "somewhere else". True, because personally I was hoping that we could figure out how to get the forums integrated here within Apache OOo. I'm trying to figure out how to be positive and welcoming in my tone, but I fear I'm not being too clear. * The root issue for the community of people running the OOo forums is that both their servers and their domain name are going away soon. The only question is when, which I think primarily depends on when Oracle pulls the plug on the server. I'm hoping Apache OOo has sufficient interested and committed people in it who can and will work on helping part of the forum community find a home here in the podling. But we'll see how well Apache OOo committers can do that, as well as seeing how much of the forum community is willing to change governance to meet Apache requirements. If this doesn't work, then I wish the forum community well finding a home elsewhere, and they should let us know their URL once they're running successfully somewhere else. - Shane