Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C336831E for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2011 17:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 95128 invoked by uid 500); 5 Sep 2011 17:16:20 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 95028 invoked by uid 500); 5 Sep 2011 17:16:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 95020 invoked by uid 99); 5 Sep 2011 17:16:19 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:16:19 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [74.208.4.194] (HELO mout.perfora.net) (74.208.4.194) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:16:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (216-15-112-83.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com [216.15.112.83]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MH1qs-1QwpAF3XJi-00EEdi; Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:15:51 -0400 Message-ID: <4E6503BF.1010901@shanecurcuru.org> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:15:43 -0400 From: Shane Curcuru User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project References: <4E63E993.5000408@ellisons.org.uk> <4E64F9D4.7060303@ellisons.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4E64F9D4.7060303@ellisons.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:BtJlxTZVUzbeqx1gpmSfkxPt5vBmCX2zr18PN/C4aEV F1EhTjV4Zlmo6Ze8JUJVQpwokDnAgHocvCzb0rfQDDMJQkE/h6 NzI/hdzVog81t8GGhf4/b94045/ZHaWBrXRMtOOjAXqdl5tU0q DJutTzrJFdOw60QZz95TdewDnF+tWMuQDUBB9ag2r+hk8vXe3B S0XGqCJGg37PNo5uAZVoHI7/UYpXrFu6TzOe/DDanff/3XXq9c wsA7AjkXOdTeff0p4M4jrs/leJVdrA6yxMQR3/7ZBkc/2ieMVN haDoT53tnZpWG5Hf5bDwJKM7UAWAPRwXBeiy5vY0tqFxsHgvAX vQu4xKKTPT6AXW1qycu1V9/25Hm4iJFRSbGcdZHYX Geez, folks, take a break; the heat in this thread is not helpful. Then come back and work on specific issues in a more productive manner, without all the pomp and fluffery. Personally, I'd like to see more engagement and especially *education* flowing in *both* directions[1] - along with an expectation that this is a process that will take some time. Both time in the technical sense, but also time in the community sense. There are a lot of individuals here with a long history of contributions. It takes education and time first to ensure that everyone is actually aware of the basics before you can really have a cogent discussion. - Shane [1] That means several PPMC members actually engaging in the admin forums with the long-time contributors there, as well as more forum people introducing themselves on this list. Preferably in a friendly manner.