Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE5BC7123 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2011 18:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 62795 invoked by uid 500); 4 Sep 2011 18:02:51 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 62630 invoked by uid 500); 4 Sep 2011 18:02:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 62619 invoked by uid 99); 4 Sep 2011 18:02:49 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 18:02:49 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [94.136.40.64] (HELO mailex.mailcore.me) (94.136.40.64) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 18:02:41 +0000 Received: from host86-129-239-17.range86-129.btcentralplus.com ([86.129.239.17] helo=[192.168.1.69]) by mail6.atlas.pipex.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R0H1K-0001WB-Dh for ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 19:02:14 +0100 Message-ID: <4E63BD2B.7070104@ellisons.org.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2011 19:02:19 +0100 From: Terry Ellison User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110805 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers References: <4E6361AE.3070907@ellisons.org.uk> <4E638B48.9020200@ellisons.org.uk> <1315157787.63820.YahooMailNeo@web161423.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1315157787.63820.YahooMailNeo@web161423.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040704020806010201030702" X-Mailcore-Auth: 8445677 X-Mailcore-Domain: 884398 --------------040704020806010201030702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 04/09/11 18:36, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Being a member-based organization the ASF requires > that all foundation activities be subject to member > scrutiny (with only a handful of operational exceptions). > > I would be perfectly satisfied if the private forums > are fully archived and made available to any ASF member on > request, without undue delay. +1 I personally agree that we should have the absolute minimum as world-no access, and clear and valid reasons to limit such access. I think that it's something that we could sell to the community. The main hassle is trolls and flamers posting into the moderation forums, so it would be better to limit write access. I don't think that granting any ASF member read or read/write access to *all* forums would be an issue as long as they broadly respect the rules of the forum. Both of these options are reasonable and therefore could be quickly "sold" to the community, IMHO. However, this is a very different and easier pitch than the hard line that Rob proposes. It would also be possible for someone to develop (as Rob suggests) a feed from such forums into a DL such as ooo-private. However, this would be a non-trivial bit of custom code development as this isn't standard phpBB functionality and the Logical Data Model for a rich-text Topic/Post paradigm would require a bit of massage to flatten into a plain text email format. We might have resourcing issues here. --------------040704020806010201030702--