Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 727197FAD for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 8489 invoked by uid 500); 30 Sep 2011 14:34:36 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 8354 invoked by uid 500); 30 Sep 2011 14:34:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 8346 invoked by uid 99); 30 Sep 2011 14:34:36 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:34:36 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [213.233.128.43] (HELO mail1.vodafone.ie) (213.233.128.43) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 14:34:28 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhsHAD/ShU5tTfsp/2dsb2JhbABBmWGOTYEFgVMBAQQBOkQLCAMNOVcZh3sCtmyHIASZIIt6 Received: from unknown (HELO 100AkerWood) ([109.77.251.41]) by mail1.vodafone.ie with SMTP; 30 Sep 2011 15:34:07 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:33:57 +0100 From: Rory O'Farrell To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Having New Committers also be on the PPMC Message-Id: <20110930153357.00b741338e3fd8f904553515@iol.ie> In-Reply-To: References: <00cf01cc7f0d$90fec5a0$b2fc50e0$@apache.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0beta3 (GTK+ 2.24.4; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 10:15:52 -0400 Rob Weir wrote: > > By my count we have 72 committers right now, almost all of them also > PPMC members. With the new IBMers coming on board, as well as > possibly forum admins/moderators/volunteers (at least according to one > draft proposal), we could shortly have 120+ committers/ppmc members. > > This is not just quantitatively different. This is qualitatively > different. It is no longer a committee. It doesn't work like a > committee. It doesn't think like a committee. It is not necessarily > a bad thing, but it is qualitatively a different thing. It is more > like a congress, where factions form and individual voices are less > heard. The voice of reason is less often heard in a "committee" of > 120 people. It doesn't cut through the noise. > Without wishing to engage in this discussion in any depth, I point out that the accepted wisdom is that the optimum size of a decision making body is between 6 and 12; our ancestors felt twelve to be optimum (hence the traditional jury size). My own experience is that about seven to nine is good, if one accepts a majority vote rather than unanimity. -- Rory O'Farrell