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From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Is it worth looking at Confluence Wiki Again?
Date Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:21:26 GMT
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> I realized after I posted this that I should have looked at Pedro's request
> ticket first, so sorry about that.
>
> Re--doing it ourselves???
>
> OK, here we go again. It's about current and long-term administration in my
> mind.
>
> Given the stagnant state of this set-up, and again, administration, I truly
> do not think we can afford to diverge from some well-known and supported
> path on this. Just look at where we are now -- Terry has left and no one
> seems to be able to take over what HAS been established at:
>
> http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
> I will try to spend the rest of this week looking at Pedro's ticket to infra
> on this and attempt to determine what can be done.
>
> Right now, there is STILL activity on the current wiki
> and no one seems to be minding the store.
>
> I'm kinda concerned about this...
>

So obviously there is limited volunteer bandwidth to migrate the wiki.
 And I've heard from several people, on and off the list, that much of
what is on the wiki is not very useful.

Is there any way we can prioritize the effort?

For example:

1) Is there any way to get page hit stats to see what pages are most
accessed?  If not already instrumented could we add Google Analytics
for a couple of weeks?

or

2) Is there someway we can tag the pages with a category or something,
to indicate which are the critical pages we must preserve?  Maybe this
could be semi-automated with a browser bookmarklet so that volunteers
with a wiki account can add that category with a single click.

If there are reasonable number (say less than 500) critical pages,
then that is something that is doable with a rough and dirty dump and
manual fix up.

We did something similar to the ODF Toolkit podling recently.  It was
previously hosted on Kenai and used MediaWiki.  I did a copy of the
wikimark up of the pages -- a manual copy and paste operation -- and
created new Markdown text files for each one.  This was
semi-automated, with some search and replace operations. Then I
checked in the mdtext files into SVN, and did the manual clean up via
the Apache CMS web interface.  It did require work on every single
page, to clean it up.  But it was not rocket science. And the result
is we have our doc now all in markdown format, where we can more
easily maintain it.  And none of us are tied up with maintaining a
server.

But note that one complication of the OOo wiki is the license on the
content.  With the ODF Toolkit everything was ALv2, so we could freely
copy that content into the podling's website.  With OOo, the pages are
in various licenses.  That will require some care.  But from technical
perspective, if it is possible to migrate content from MWiki to
Markdowntext, then migrating to CWiki or MointMoin should be even
easier.


>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@openoffice.org>wrote:
>
>> -1 I think there still many things that there need to be done for MW but I
>> also think that users will appreciate having their familiar environment in
>> this wiki.
>>
>> I will vote to keep MW as Plan A. Also will start getting more involved as
>> the BZ.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni <giffunip@tutopia.com
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello;
>> > >
>> > > --- On Tue, 9/6/11, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Pedro has already gone over to check
>> > > > with Infrastructure about doing a test.
>> > > >
>> > > ...
>> > > >
>> > > > Regards,
>> > > > Dave
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Yes, here is the post I sent to the infrastructure guys.
>> > > I guess they have the MW data and the confluence know-how
>> > > but it will probably take some time to evaluate this so
>> > > we cannot discard the MediaWiki VM just yet.
>> > >
>> > > Pedro.
>> > > ________
>> > > Hi guys;
>> > >
>> > > Sometime ago I suggested this utility on the ooo-dev list:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://studio.plugins.atlassian.com/wiki/display/UWC/Universal+Wiki+Converter
>> > >
>> > > I didn't follow up on it because, as you know, there was a
>> > > volunteer from the OOo community doing the MediaWiki
>> > > configuration.
>> > >
>> > > Since the volunteer has left, perhaps infra could do a test
>> > > conversion? This would probably not go as well as the bugzilla
>> > > conversion but I think it would make it easier since we
>> > > wouldn't have to find another admin and have the extra problems
>> > > related to adapting new software to the Apache Infrastructure.
>> > >
>> > > Let me know if using this would be viable and you would like me
>> > > to raise a JIRA issue.
>> > >
>> >
>> > My recommendation (FWIW) would be to pass this on to infrastructure.
>> > Despite
>> > the enormous respect I have for what it took to get MediaWiki up and
>> > running
>> > for OpenOffice in the past, AND the amount of recent work that Terry did,
>> I
>> > can fully understand Rob's reasoning on this. As a group, we need to face
>> > the fact that things are not what they used to be , and utliize the
>> > existing
>> > expertise that's available to Apache OO.o now.
>> >
>> > Setbacks are very disheartening but we do need to learn from them I
>> think.
>> > It's unfortunate that exploring this alternate possibility may be
>> construed
>> > as ignoring and killing someone's efforts though -- LOTS of effort I
>> might
>> > add. I feel very very badly about that.  Unfortunately, this seems to be
>> > the nature of much reorganization, especially a reorganization on this
>> > scale.
>> >
>> > So, you have my +1 on filing an issue to infra to explore this
>> conversion.
>> >
>> >
>> > > Pedro.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > MzK
>> >
>> > "Music expresses that which cannot be said and
>> >  on which it is impossible to be silent."
>> >                                                   --
Victor Hugo
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Alexandro Colorado*
>> *OpenOffice.org* Español
>> http://es.openoffice.org
>> fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "There is no such thing as coincidence."
>           -- Leroy Jethro Gibbs, Rule #39
>

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