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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: Umbrella projects
Date Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:42:12 GMT
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Joe Schaefer <> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Simon Phipps <>
>> To:
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: Umbrella projects
>> On 12 Sep 2011, at 14:12, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>  It would be useful if you explained what you meant by "autonomy"
>> so it
>>>  is clear about what you are talking about.
>> "Autonomy" in the case of a localisation would mean being free to
>> create releases without needing to translate decisions made by the developers
>> (regardless of what's changed) into any other language. Obviously anything
>> that moves upstream would need to be represented in English.
> Provided that there are sane versioning rules for the sources, I don't
> see why a local language "preliminary release vote" needs to be held here.
> OTOH I do know that the only votes that count are (P)PMC votes, so any source
> release needs to follow all the normal rules of an ASF release, including
> soliciting positive votes from the IPMC on general@incubator.
> Once the project graduates those per-lang decisions still need to be carried
> out by PMC members, tho they don't necessarily have to do it on an English
> language mailing list, provided they are able to accept votes from
> English-speaking-only members of the PMC regarding their candidates.

I disagree.  I don't think, for example, that it would be sufficient
to call for a release vote in Japanese on a Japanese mailing list.
This would be true, even if three PPMC members were contacted off list
to point them to the otherwise obscure voting thread.  That is
tantamount to a stealth ballot.   Why not just send the ballot to
ooo-commits in Sumerian?

We need a standard, well-known, recognized "polling place" for votes
to occur, and I think that is be with ooo-dev.


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