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From Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Umbrella projects
Date Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:04:48 GMT
On 12 September 2011 15:42, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Simon Phipps <simon@webmink.com>
> >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> Cc:
> >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:58 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Umbrella projects
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12 Sep 2011, at 14:12, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>
> >>>  It would be useful if you explained what you meant by "autonomy"
> >> so it
> >>>  is clear about what you are talking about.
> >>
> >> "Autonomy" in the case of a localisation would mean being free to
> >> create releases without needing to translate decisions made by the
> developers
> >> (regardless of what's changed) into any other language. Obviously
> anything
> >> that moves upstream would need to be represented in English.
> >
> > Provided that there are sane versioning rules for the sources, I don't
> > see why a local language "preliminary release vote" needs to be held
> here.
> > OTOH I do know that the only votes that count are (P)PMC votes, so any
> source
> > release needs to follow all the normal rules of an ASF release, including
> > soliciting positive votes from the IPMC on general@incubator.
> >
> > Once the project graduates those per-lang decisions still need to be
> carried
> > out by PMC members, tho they don't necessarily have to do it on an
> English
> > language mailing list, provided they are able to accept votes from
> > English-speaking-only members of the PMC regarding their candidates.
> >
>
> I disagree.  I don't think, for example, that it would be sufficient
> to call for a release vote in Japanese on a Japanese mailing list.
> This would be true, even if three PPMC members were contacted off list
> to point them to the otherwise obscure voting thread.  That is
> tantamount to a stealth ballot.   Why not just send the ballot to
> ooo-commits in Sumerian?
>
> We need a standard, well-known, recognized "polling place" for votes
> to occur, and I think that is be with ooo-dev.


Is this debate really necessary when we can simply devise a non-onerous
procedure which will render all of this academic?

1. I a NL community is hell bent on autonomy they can just create a fork.
2. If they are not they are likely to be amenable to a simple courtesy of
posting their intentions in English and waiting for Lazy Consensus to run it
course.

All Ross said was just be aware of some potential difficulties - maybe I'm
being naive but it seems to me there is a very simple safeguard so that's
all it needs.
-- 
Ian

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