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From Matt Richards <mricha...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)
Date Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:55:38 GMT
I am in the same boat; attempting to step in and aid as he's left. Dunno
what thread contains this information, there's a lot to go through.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi again--
>
> Uh...any possibility you could dig up this e-mail of procedures and
> wiki-ize
> it? Or maybe I could go looking for it and get this done tomorrow assuming
> I
> could make sense of it. <groan>
>
> Truthfully I hadn't been keeping up with Terry's posts. I did see he was
> leaving but didn't know when, and well...confusion. It is truly critical to
> finalize the wiki cut-over -- the sooner the better in my mind.
>
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <
> dennis.hamilton@acm.org
> > wrote:
>
> > Terry had prepared an analysis of what is involved here somewhere.  It
> was
> > a pretty long e-mail with decision points and also previous e-mails on
> what
> > was required.
> >
> >  - Dennis
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pedro F. Giffuni [mailto:giffunip@tutopia.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 11:36
> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build
> > OpenOffice?)
> >
> > Hello;
> >
> > I have not been to involved with that process lately but
> > my understanding is:
> >
> > - Infra requires a update to recent version of the
> > MediaWiki software.
> > - It would be preferable to have no hacks or no
> > non-standard extensions.
> > - They want to have documentation concerning the
> > maintenance of the system.
> >
> > Additionally they would prefer to use a FreeBSD jail,
> > but this is not mandatory. I was considering stepping
> > in for this last issue but I have no MediaWiki expertise
> > and having me as another guy learning is probably not
> > helpful at this time.
> >
> > Pedro.
> >
> > --- On Tue, 9/6/11, Matt Richards <mrichards@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...
> > > Well, I thought Terry has resigned
> > > from the project according to another
> > > thread, leaving the wiki migration at a bit of a stand
> > > still. Figured I
> > > could step in and pick up where he left off on this. Am I
> > > able to, as a
> > > non-contributor reach out to Apache Infra on this (from
> > > what I read it seems
> > > the infra ML are for existing contributors only)? Not sure
> > > who all is
> > > involved at this point.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My understanding that it really is a test build
> > > and it has *not* been
> > > > maintained in synchronization with the OpenOffice.org
> > > operating version.  So
> > > > if that system started to be used as a production
> > > instance separate from
> > > > OpenOffice.org, it would be a fork and there would be
> > > some issues with that.
> > > >
> > > > The plan was to put the existing wiki into read only
> > > and then do a final
> > > > export. That export would be used to build the final
> > > ooo-wiki. The next step
> > > > is to change the DNS. Once DNS is complete branding
> > > changes will be made.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I don't believe that would be an acceptable
> > > arrangement for Apache
> > > > Infrastructure, for important operational
> > > reasons.  Someone from there can
> > > > explain the rules for having a MediaWiki server being
> > > sustained.
> > > >
> > > > Terry has said he will finish the work. It is possible
> > > that Drew can do it.
> > > > I know that Terry was documenting everything for
> > > Infrastructure.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps you should ask infra what they will require
> > > given the events of the
> > > > last days.
> > > >
> > > > I also wonder what moderation and administrative
> > > situation exists on the
> > > > Wiki and if there is any overlap beyond Terry and Drew
> > > between these two
> > > > groups.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > PS. A lot of us are older, let's have some
> > > consideration for other's health
> > > > and stress levels.
> > > >
> > > I totally understand real life/health needs to come before
> > > any of these
> > > types of projects. No problem.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > - Dennis
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Matt Richards [mailto:mrichards@gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 08:32
> > > > > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re:
> > > Who Wants to build
> > > > OpenOffice?)
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as point 2, I thought Terry had completed
> > > the all of the migration
> > > > > work and all that was left was to create a final
> > > export and cut over the
> > > > DNS
> > > > > entries? In my mind, if there is already a lot of
> > > content on the MW and
> > > > the
> > > > > Apache Foundation allows us to continue to use
> > > it, why not?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Pedro F.
> > > Giffuni <giffunip@tutopia.com
> > > > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>> Hmm ...
> > > > >>> It looks like  I missed where the
> > > decision to use MediiaWiki and
> > > > >> deprecate confluence
> > > > >>> was taken. I guess it was arranged with
> > > infra as long as MW is up to
> > > > date
> > > > >> and
> > > > >>> the extensions are documented.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I am not complaining though: it sounds
> > > like lazy consensus in action
> > > > plus
> > > > >> we can
> > > > >>> always change mind later on and try the
> > > conversion script.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Do you have a
> > > counter-argument?   I think the factors are
> > > at play were:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 1) We have a huge amount of content already
> > > in MediaWiki from the
> > > > >> legacy project. Although it might be
> > > converted to Confluence, the
> > > > >> effort would be large.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> on the other hand
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2) MediaWiki was not supported by Apache
> > > Infrastructure and getting it
> > > > >> supported and migrated would require a lot of
> > > admin work
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So far, it looks like the admin effort has
> > > made more progress than the
> > > > >> translation effort.   Maybe
> > > not a final decision, but that is how it
> > > > >> looks to me today.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -Rob
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Pedro.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > --Matt
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > --Matt
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
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