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From Matt Richards <mricha...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Proposal: Forum integration
Date Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:39:11 GMT
To me, this sounds like a good path to follow.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:13 PM, drew <drew@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 14:56 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, drew <drew@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 14:28 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:19 PM, drew <drew@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> >> >> > On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 14:15 -0400, drew wrote:
> >> >> >> On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 19:23 +0200, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> >> >> >> > Hello,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > we have spoken much - now its time to outline what needs
to be
> done. I
> >> >> >> > have started a Wiki page with that:
> >> >> >> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Changes+integrate+the+forums+into+the+AOOo+project
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Lets bring the talk into shapes.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks for that Christian.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > sorry - a double post.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> My only real question is regarding the moderators needing
to be
> part of
> >> >> >> the PMC - I'm not at all sure I see that need.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > just to be clear - although I would encourage mod's to be in the
> PMC my
> >> >> > question is about making it a hard requirement.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I'd think of it this way:
> >> >>
> >> >> We don't want a stranger to walk off the street and be immediately
a
> >> >> moderator, right?
> >> >
> >> > Of course not - why do you think folks would want that?
> >> >
> >> >> It requires some level of vetting.
> >> >
> >> > Sure -
> >> >
> >> >> A moderator can
> >> >> ban users,
> >> >
> >> > Not necessarily - there is the a very granular rights system in play -
> >> > not everyone with the moderator colors on their user name have the
> same
> >> > access levels. Hagar has a higher level then most, if not all, of the
> >> > other moderators for instance.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> they can kick real people off the boards if they do not
> >> >> like their behavior. So it is a position of authority.  A Moderator
> is
> >> >> an important role with real influence.  They, through their
> decisions,
> >> >> help set the tone of the forum and represent the "public face" of
> >> >> Apache OpenOffice.
> >> >
> >> > So, it is very easy to setup a system where a 'standard' moderator can
> >> > do x but not y - in this case can not actually ban a user - they see
> >> > spam, they remove it, which automatically makes the post visible to
> >> > admins and the admin's can handle the actual banning, if so warranted.
> >> >
> >>
> >> This is good to know.  That essentially creates super-moderators and
> >> normal moderators.  Is there anything else like this?  I mean is there
> >> a short list of permission sets like this, or is it really an eclectic
> >> mix of permissions that have been assigned to individuals over time
> >> and few moderators actually have the same identical permissions?
> >
> > no - normally this is all done at the group level - I gave you the one
> > exception I know off (understand my memory can be faulty at times) -
> > again when I say something is possible it is a mistake to believe this
> > means it is being widely used, it only means that it is possible.
> >
> >
>
> Thanks.
>
> So would something like this work:
>
> Site admins must be PPMC members,  appointed by PPMC, with actual site
> admin assignment made by Infra.  In other words, only Infra has the
> skeleton key.
>
> Forum admins must be also be PPMC members, appointed  by PPMC. The
> actual rights assignment could be done by a site admin, not involving
> Infra?
>
> Moderators/Volunteers selected by the forum participants:
>
> 1) According to written rules which are publicly posted and approved by the
> PPMC
>
> 2) Rules shall allow any PPMC member or Mentor to become a moderator
> or admin on request
>
> 3) Changes to such rules require approval by the PPMC
>
> 4) No PPMC approval required for new modertors/volunteers
>
> 5) But no moderator has ban rights unless also a PPMC member
>
> That avoids any PPMC review except for new Admins,  and for the
> Admin/Moderator rules which your draft yourselves among the forum
> volunteers
>
>
> > //drew
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >
>



-- 
--Matt

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