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From Alexandro Colorado <>
Subject Re: Diploma thesis: a survey about Oracle's care of the community (and not LibreOffice)
Date Wed, 28 Sep 2011 06:33:58 GMT
2011/9/28 André Schnabel <>

> Hi,
> first of all, I feel sorry, that I did forward the request to this list.
> Seems you feel more disturbed than than realizing the chance to help
> someone with his thesis.

I have helped students on their thesis toward FOSS governance and FOSS
localization process, but I would be very careful to do on a survey that
could be perceived or manipulated to get a non-technical and rather bias
view of something that has been discussed over and over.

I would be happier if the thesis reffer to an actual technical topic, like
how to approach and update the image managing engine, or restore animations
on the Flash export module of OOo. Or if there is a better solution to
handle SVG. Or address/resolve issues within the latest ODF schema.

But I see this a more of a Journalist/PR study more than an actual CS-level
study. (I am thinking this student comes from a CS background).

> Regarding questions about Oracle:
> I already asked Fabian if it was not better to ask about Apache, not
> Oracle. He then explizitly referred to Oracle. I think it should be up to
> the Student and his tutors to decide what they ask and how they do the
> analysis (just from seeing the questions you don't know, how the answers wil
> be analysed).
> Guys ... do you really question every thesis after you read some paragraphs
> of the preparation? If yes - don't read it and don't care about it.
> Regarding asking the same thing multiple times. - I have only very basic
> knowledge about surveys, but this is a common way to get better results.
> Eg.g you dedetect things, where people are unsure, or just "click through".
> After all .. I only post very rarely to this list, and the comments are
> absolutely not encouraging to continue that.
> Regards,
> André
> Am 27.09.2011 21:07, schrieb Dave Fisher:
>  DId this individual's academic advisor give any input on how to conduct an
>> unbiased survey? I think not.
>> Really the survey was very repetitive and only about Oracle and
>> I didn't get far enough before I noticed it was asking the
>> same questions over and over. Maybe in German there are subtle differences.
>> I didn't get to questions about LIbreOffice or Apache at all.
>> If SImon and Rob want to debate corporate biases, go ahead. I'm not
>> interested in wasting y time on this type of navel gazing.
>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>>  On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Rob Weir<>  wrote:
>>>  The more direct comparison would be Community
>>>> Council versus LO/TDF, or versus LO/Novell.  In
>>>> other words compare governance or compare corporate sponsorship, but
>>>> don't mix the two.
>>>>  Presumably if you believe Novell to be the main sponsor of LibreOffice
>>> you
>>> will also be recommending to the researcher that they treat IBM as the
>>> main
>>> sponsor of AOOo, Rob. Perhaps you could cc the list when you write to
>>> them.
>>> Thanks,
>>> S.

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