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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Is it worth looking at Confluence Wiki Again?
Date Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:52:46 GMT
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I realized after I posted this that I should have looked at Pedro's
> request
> > ticket first, so sorry about that.
> >
> > Re--doing it ourselves???
> >
> > OK, here we go again. It's about current and long-term administration in
> my
> > mind.
> >
> > Given the stagnant state of this set-up, and again, administration, I
> truly
> > do not think we can afford to diverge from some well-known and supported
> > path on this. Just look at where we are now -- Terry has left and no one
> > seems to be able to take over what HAS been established at:
> >
> > http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/Main_Page
> >
> > I will try to spend the rest of this week looking at Pedro's ticket to
> infra
> > on this and attempt to determine what can be done.
> >
> > Right now, there is STILL activity on the current wiki
> > and no one seems to be minding the store.
> >
> > I'm kinda concerned about this...
> >
>
> So obviously there is limited volunteer bandwidth to migrate the wiki.
>  And I've heard from several people, on and off the list, that much of
> what is on the wiki is not very useful.
>

uh, well...I don't know bout this. I was under the impression that MUCH of
developer info was here.  Others would need to weigh in but I think it was
widely used because of the ease of use.


> Is there any way we can prioritize the effort?
>
> For example:
>
> 1) Is there any way to get page hit stats to see what pages are most
> accessed?  If not already instrumented could we add Google Analytics
> for a couple of weeks?
>
> or
>
> 2) Is there someway we can tag the pages with a category or something,
> to indicate which are the critical pages we must preserve?  Maybe this
> could be semi-automated with a browser bookmarklet so that volunteers
> with a wiki account can add that category with a single click.
>
> If there are reasonable number (say less than 500) critical pages,
> then that is something that is doable with a rough and dirty dump and
> manual fix up.
>
> We did something similar to the ODF Toolkit podling recently.  It was
> previously hosted on Kenai and used MediaWiki.  I did a copy of the
> wikimark up of the pages -- a manual copy and paste operation -- and
> created new Markdown text files for each one.  This was
> semi-automated, with some search and replace operations. Then I
> checked in the mdtext files into SVN, and did the manual clean up via
> the Apache CMS web interface.  It did require work on every single
> page, to clean it up.  But it was not rocket science. And the result
> is we have our doc now all in markdown format, where we can more
> easily maintain it.  And none of us are tied up with maintaining a
> server.
>

This would be QUITE painful for the OOo wiki.


>
> But note that one complication of the OOo wiki is the license on the
> content.  With the ODF Toolkit everything was ALv2, so we could freely
> copy that content into the podling's website.  With OOo, the pages are
> in various licenses.  That will require some care.  But from technical
> perspective, if it is possible to migrate content from MWiki to
> Markdowntext, then migrating to CWiki or MointMoin should be even
> easier.
>

OK. I don't know HOW the wiki pages are licensed. I will investigate.


>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@openoffice.org
> >wrote:
> >
> >> -1 I think there still many things that there need to be done for MW but
> I
> >> also think that users will appreciate having their familiar environment
> in
> >> this wiki.
> >>
> >> I will vote to keep MW as Plan A. Also will start getting more involved
> as
> >> the BZ.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni <
> giffunip@tutopia.com
> >> > >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hello;
> >> > >
> >> > > --- On Tue, 9/6/11, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Pedro has already gone over to check
> >> > > > with Infrastructure about doing a test.
> >> > > >
> >> > > ...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Regards,
> >> > > > Dave
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Yes, here is the post I sent to the infrastructure guys.
> >> > > I guess they have the MW data and the confluence know-how
> >> > > but it will probably take some time to evaluate this so
> >> > > we cannot discard the MediaWiki VM just yet.
> >> > >
> >> > > Pedro.
> >> > > ________
> >> > > Hi guys;
> >> > >
> >> > > Sometime ago I suggested this utility on the ooo-dev list:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://studio.plugins.atlassian.com/wiki/display/UWC/Universal+Wiki+Converter
> >> > >
> >> > > I didn't follow up on it because, as you know, there was a
> >> > > volunteer from the OOo community doing the MediaWiki
> >> > > configuration.
> >> > >
> >> > > Since the volunteer has left, perhaps infra could do a test
> >> > > conversion? This would probably not go as well as the bugzilla
> >> > > conversion but I think it would make it easier since we
> >> > > wouldn't have to find another admin and have the extra problems
> >> > > related to adapting new software to the Apache Infrastructure.
> >> > >
> >> > > Let me know if using this would be viable and you would like me
> >> > > to raise a JIRA issue.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > My recommendation (FWIW) would be to pass this on to infrastructure.
> >> > Despite
> >> > the enormous respect I have for what it took to get MediaWiki up and
> >> > running
> >> > for OpenOffice in the past, AND the amount of recent work that Terry
> did,
> >> I
> >> > can fully understand Rob's reasoning on this. As a group, we need to
> face
> >> > the fact that things are not what they used to be , and utliize the
> >> > existing
> >> > expertise that's available to Apache OO.o now.
> >> >
> >> > Setbacks are very disheartening but we do need to learn from them I
> >> think.
> >> > It's unfortunate that exploring this alternate possibility may be
> >> construed
> >> > as ignoring and killing someone's efforts though -- LOTS of effort I
> >> might
> >> > add. I feel very very badly about that.  Unfortunately, this seems to
> be
> >> > the nature of much reorganization, especially a reorganization on this
> >> > scale.
> >> >
> >> > So, you have my +1 on filing an issue to infra to explore this
> >> conversion.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Pedro.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > MzK
> >> >
> >> > "Music expresses that which cannot be said and
> >> >  on which it is impossible to be silent."
> >> >                                                   -- Victor Hugo
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> *Alexandro Colorado*
> >> *OpenOffice.org* EspaƱol
> >> http://es.openoffice.org
> >> fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > MzK
> >
> > "There is no such thing as coincidence."
> >           -- Leroy Jethro Gibbs, Rule #39
> >
>



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