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From Joe Schaefer <>
Subject Re: Umbrella projects
Date Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:03:51 GMT
----- Original Message -----

> From: Rob Weir <>
> To:
> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Umbrella projects
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Joe Schaefer <> 
> wrote:
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: Simon Phipps <>
>>>  To:
>>>  Cc:
>>>  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:58 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: Umbrella projects
>>>  On 12 Sep 2011, at 14:12, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>   It would be useful if you explained what you meant by 
> "autonomy"
>>>  so it
>>>>   is clear about what you are talking about.
>>>  "Autonomy" in the case of a localisation would mean being 
> free to
>>>  create releases without needing to translate decisions made by the 
> developers
>>>  (regardless of what's changed) into any other language. Obviously 
> anything
>>>  that moves upstream would need to be represented in English.
>>  Provided that there are sane versioning rules for the sources, I don't
>>  see why a local language "preliminary release vote" needs to be 
> held here.
>>  OTOH I do know that the only votes that count are (P)PMC votes, so any 
> source
>>  release needs to follow all the normal rules of an ASF release, including
>>  soliciting positive votes from the IPMC on general@incubator.
>>  Once the project graduates those per-lang decisions still need to be 
> carried
>>  out by PMC members, tho they don't necessarily have to do it on an 
> English
>>  language mailing list, provided they are able to accept votes from
>>  English-speaking-only members of the PMC regarding their candidates.
> I disagree.  I don't think, for example, that it would be sufficient
> to call for a release vote in Japanese on a Japanese mailing list.
> This would be true, even if three PPMC members were contacted off list
> to point them to the otherwise obscure voting thread.  That is
> tantamount to a stealth ballot.   Why not just send the ballot to
> ooo-commits in Sumerian?

Still tired of your penchant for hyperbole.  The fact is this is done
ALL THE TIME at the ASF with respect to subprojects that I've worked
on.  You simply ensure the voters are all on the PMC and you delegate
decisions about that subproject to the subproject list.  That is what
we'd like to do with the Incubator as a whole but it's not quite the
case because most podling releases still aren't able to pass the basic
smell test that general@incubator provides.

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