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From Joe Schaefer <>
Subject Re: [RT] Create a second incubator podling - the ooo forums
Date Tue, 06 Sep 2011 12:17:03 GMT
Sorry, but if this were put to a vote on general@incubator
I'd likely vote -1 as it is out of scope for the incubator
to incubate a non-software-development related group.  Frankly
we have no business overseeing this work on anything more
than a formal level because we have no institutional experience
with forums and their management.

To say that I've long been frustrated with the general level
of civility on all sides towards this project is an understatement.
I was willing to extend my neck out pretty far to accommodate
Terry's unique needs, but don't feel that he was inclined to
reciprocate and was aiming for the exit door for quite a while
now.  Now that it's finally come to fruition I do wonder where
we go from here.  I'd appreciate more input from the forum
volunteers on what their thoughts are.  Maybe there's still a way to
salvage this situation amicably,  but I suspect the civility
problem will continue to hinder any progress in this direction.

>From: Rob Weir <>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 7:26 AM
>Subject: Re: [RT] Create a second incubator podling - the ooo forums
>On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Christian Grobmeier <> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> there are much emotions on the ooo forum at the moment and my feeling
>> says if we continue this path of discussion, we'll have some problems.
>> Now I had an idea: what if we would make up another incubator podling
>> - the ooo forums - with an own PPMC.
>> In fact Rob already expressed something like that and introduced the
>> idea to run the forums outside apache. But this can happen different.
>> What if we run the forums outside of the standard ooo project but as a
>> project on its own.
>> I mean, the forums have some technic - the phpBB boards.
>> They have active admins (I call PPMC) and active mentors (committers).
>> I think making ooo-forums another podling is way easier than
>> integrating it into ooo-dev.
>> Thoughts?
>I was actually having similar thoughts last night before I went to
>bed.  The forum admins want to maintain their own decision making
>apparatus separate and distinct from the AOOo PPMC.  In other words
>(in Apache terms) they want their own PPMC.  Since they have 75
>volunteers, this in itself would be a good nucleus for a standalone
>As a Podling that also gives them the opportunity to understand the
>Apache Way and how Apache works at a more leisurely pace.
>> Christian
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