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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers
Date Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:55:31 GMT

Bringing up the test systems for the forum and the wiki are crucial for two reasons: to know
that preservation and migration is workable.  We now have some non-technical matters to reconcile.

I think the forum community wants the forum community and the Community to
survive and thrive.  They assume (and have been warned by visitors from here) that Oracle
is going to pull the plug.  They are hoping to be welcome, respected guests, it seems to me.
 They are apprehensive about how they see they might be treated; they are disturbed about
what they encounter.  They don't want to find themselves treated as refugees under the kind
of domination they have not suffered thus far.  It is part of their fear and apprehension
in the face of a disruption that is known to be coming but is mostly invisible.

I don't know that *anyone* has actually invited them.  They have been told what the changes
are, as in mailing list messages and the sudden transfer of Bugzilla.  

I'm not sure that they know they can decline our offer, also.  That probably looks suicidal.
 I don't believe we do have the right to the forums if they do not consent.  Unfortunately,
we haven't approached them as folks who have a say in the matter and that we want to be welcome.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Shahaf [] 
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 10:15
To: Terry Ellison
Cc:; Rob Weir
Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

Terry Ellison wrote on Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 18:09:15 +0100:
> On 04/09/11 16:49, Rob Weir wrote:
> >... we are not discussing project operations on ooo-private.  We
> >use that list for voting in new committers and for exchanging
> >confidential information, like the real email addresses of new
> >committers.  Almost any other attempted use of ooo-private has been
> >quickly shut down my our Mentors, rightfully, since the default
> >behavior should be to discuss things openly.  In fact, if the very
> >discussion that is currently occurring (according to Terry) on the
> >private forum had occurred on ooo-private, we would have received a
> >lecture from a Mentor on the need for transparency.
> Rob we are not talking about project operations in private in
> u.s.oo.o either.  We are talking about User Community business in
> private on a User Community-run server.  I know that you want to
> unilaterally subsume this community into the project, but this isn't
> the status quo.  It's a fundamental change that you are demanding of
> this community.

If the forums community doesn't want to become part of the ASF project
then why has the PPMC asked infra to migrate the forums to ASF hardware?

(Terry, in case it's not clear, I'm speaking with Devil's Advocate hat on.)

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