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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
Subject RE: PLEASE STOP " RE: svn commit: r795631 - in /websites/production/openofficeorg:
Date Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:42:41 GMT
Dave,

I'm sorry that you feel you've been -1'd.  I have expressed my concern about the licenses
and copyright notices in the past.  So this is the same objection to the same action.

I don't know that anything in the situation has changed to have my concern disappear.

Meanwhile, as I think you know, the terms of use have been taken on by legal.  I don't believe
there has been a response thus far.  Please don't tell them they are "the perfect being the
enemy of the good."  

I believe that, as PPMC members, all of us are expected to be diligent in this respect.  I
see it as a clear PPMC oversight responsibility.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 09:52
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: PLEASE STOP " RE: svn commit: r795631 - in /websites/production/openofficeorg:

You are the perfect being the enemy of the good.

Thanks for -1 all of Kay and my work. You've done this before. I've said it is not perfect
and that I am working on it. We discussed the terms etc last week. I said what I would do.
I didn't do it this last weekend. I had no real energy for AOOo.

If you want to negotiate a test Apache CMS location and URL with Apache Infrastructure go
ahead.

No more AOOo today. I am a volunteer and it is not pleasant to go through these little explosions
all the time.

Regards,
Dave

On Sep 12, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> I think it is inappropriate to make web visible duplicate and different pages that are
presently available via the OpenOffice.org.  There is much more to determine before the migration
of the OpenOffice.org content and services is staged.  There is no worked-out consensus on
how that will progress through integration so that user-facing OpenOffice.org and project
facing openoffice.apache.org are separated appropriately, if at all.
> 
> More important to me is that fact that those pages don't "belong" to us.
> 
> I repeat my concern that it is *very* inappropriate to inject unapproved Apache Terms
of Use and, worse, apply Apache Copyright notices in ways that have not been reviewed by legal
FIRST.  This kind of action is not appropriate for Commit then Review, not even unilateral
lazy consensus, since it is a concern of the Foundation, not merely the Apache OOo Podling.
> 
> If there is to be a test site to establish that there is a working migration approach
for static materials, it needs to be set up that way.  There is no need to modify content
on such a site beyond what is technically required to demonstrate workable migration.
> 
> I am very concerned that material is being combined under  http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/,
such as the material at http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg WACK de/, http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg
WACK ar/, 
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg WACK lt/,
> and so on.
> 
> I also believe that demonstration of capture should not be comingled with modifications.
I urge that any modifications that cannot be done on OpenOffice.org where it is now hosted
be deferred beyond when the OpenOffice.org domain and the hosted pages are all in Apache custody.
 Modifications at OpenOffice.org itself seem best limited to those minimum adjustments necessary
because of separated services (such as migration of Bugzilla which has left broken material
behind on OpenOffice.org).
> 
> - Dennis
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: marcus@apache.org [mailto:marcus@apache.org] 
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 05:40
> To: ooo-commits@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: svn commit: r795631 - in /websites/production/openofficeorg: ./ content/openofficeorg/aa/
content/openofficeorg/af/ content/openofficeorg/am/ content/openofficeorg/ar/ content/openofficeorg/docs/governance/
content/openofficeorg/dz/ content/openofficeo...
> 
> Author: marcus
> Date: Mon Sep 12 12:40:18 2011
> New Revision: 795631
> 
> Log:
> Publishing merge to openofficeorg site by marcus
> 
> Added:
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/aa/
>      - copied from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/aa/
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/aa/index.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/aa/index.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/aa/robots.txt
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/aa/robots.txt
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/af/
>      - copied from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/af/
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/af/index.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/af/index.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/af/robots.txt
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/af/robots.txt
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/am/
>      - copied from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/am/
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/am/index.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/am/index.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/am/robots.txt
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/am/robots.txt
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/
>      - copied from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-cdrom.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-cdrom.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-documentation.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-documentation.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-downloads.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-downloads.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-helping.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-helping.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-issuezilla.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-issuezilla.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-legal.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-legal.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-mailinglist.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-mailinglist.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-product.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-product.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-spellcheck.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/about-spellcheck.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/addresses.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/addresses.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/back.gif
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/back.gif
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/background.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/background.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/banner_join_ar.png
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/banner_join_ar.png
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/credits.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/credits.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/faq.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/faq.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/index.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/index.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/robots.txt
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/robots.txt
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/style.css
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/style.css
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/valid_css.png
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/valid_css.png
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/valid_html.png
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/valid_html.png
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/ar/work_in_progress.gif
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/ar/work_in_progress.gif
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/dz/
>      - copied from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/dz/
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/dz/index.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/dz/index.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/dz/robots.txt
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/dz/robots.txt
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/
>      - copied from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-cdrom.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-cdrom.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-documentation.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-documentation.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-downloads.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-downloads.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-helping.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-helping.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-issuezilla.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-issuezilla.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-legal.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-legal.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-mailinglist.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-mailinglist.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-product.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-product.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-spellcheck.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/about-spellcheck.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/adresses.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/adresses.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/background.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/background.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/credits.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/credits.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/faq.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/faq.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/index.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/index.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/links.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/links.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/menu.js
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/menu.js
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/lt/robots.txt
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/lt/robots.txt
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/my/
>      - copied from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/my/
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/my/index.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/my/index.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/my/robots.txt
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/my/robots.txt
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/
>      - copied from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/adresa.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/adresa.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/base.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/base.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/calc.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/calc.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/draw.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/draw.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/emx_nav_right.css
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/emx_nav_right.css
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/historia.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/historia.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/impress.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/impress.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/index.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/index.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/index2.1
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/index2.1
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/index2.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/index2.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/index3.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/index3.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/kontributi.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/kontributi.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/mail_lista.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/mail_lista.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/math.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/math.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/pershkrimi.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/pershkrimi.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/robots.txt
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/robots.txt
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/shablloni.htm
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/shablloni.htm
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/shkarko.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/shkarko.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/sinergjia.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/sinergjia.html
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/sq/writer.html
>      - copied unchanged from r795630, websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk/content/openofficeorg/sq/writer.html
> Modified:
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/   (props changed)
>    websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/docs/governance/lazyConsensus.html
> 
> Propchange: websites/production/openofficeorg/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --- svn:mergeinfo (original)
> +++ svn:mergeinfo Mon Sep 12 12:40:18 2011
> @@ -1 +1 @@
> -/websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk:791146-795462
> +/websites/staging/openofficeorg/trunk:791146-795630
> 
> Modified: websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/docs/governance/lazyConsensus.html
> ==============================================================================
> --- websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/docs/governance/lazyConsensus.html
(original)
> +++ websites/production/openofficeorg/content/openofficeorg/docs/governance/lazyConsensus.html
Mon Sep 12 12:40:18 2011
> @@ -107,7 +107,10 @@ lazy consensus model. In these circumsta
> operation.</p>
> <p>What this means is that they make a proposal and state that they will start

> implementing it in 72 hours unless someone objects. 72 hours is chosen because
> -it accounts for different timezones and non-apache commitments.</p>
> +it accounts for different timezones and non-apache commitments. If the 72 hours are
> +touching a weekend it would be wise to extend the timeframe a bit. This will ensure
> +that people can participate in the proposal even when they were offline over the
> +weekend.</p>
> <p>In this approach the original proposal is not insisting that there is a discussion
> around their proposal, nor are they requesting that the community explicitly 
> supports their actions. However, this differs from assuming lazy consensus 
> 
> 


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