Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 832F37A8A for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 67021 invoked by uid 500); 3 Aug 2011 17:54:29 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 66936 invoked by uid 500); 3 Aug 2011 17:54:28 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 66928 invoked by uid 99); 3 Aug 2011 17:54:28 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:54:28 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of dave2wave@comcast.net designates 76.96.30.16 as permitted sender) Received: from [76.96.30.16] (HELO qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net) (76.96.30.16) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:54:18 +0000 Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FtlM1h0091smiN4A1tttXq; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:53:53 +0000 Received: from [10.1.250.53] ([74.212.138.154]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Fttk1h02c3L3fKe8gtuHBp; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:54:25 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: Refactoring the brand: Apache ooo + OpenOffice.org? (was re:OpenOffice.org branding) From: Dave Fisher In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:53:21 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <008a01cc4ee7$ca79e5e0$5f6db1a0$@acm.org> <4E37F50B.1040405@ellisons.org.uk> <4E380C1F.20509@ellisons.org.uk> <4E382162.4070003@the-martin-byrd.net> <4E38387E.7010108@the-martin-byrd.net> <7C969586-8429-4A26-9AD2-39AEF92FBDC5@comcast.net> <4E38418C.3070104@the-martin-byrd.net> <4E384F4A.20100@the-martin-byrd.net> <20110803115820.297310@gmx.net> <4E3946DD. 3090207@ellisons.org.uk> <20110803135435.297310@gmx.net> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > To be fair, an overly aggressive tone can do just as much poisoning as = a > defensive one. I think it is also worth bearing in mind that a lot of = people > here are not native English speakers and so it is easy to read things = into > posts that were either not intended or were a subset of the entire = situation > simply because it just takes too long to type reams in a foreign = language > explaining every aspect of everything. Apart from the language issue, = what > is considered bad form varies with culture so we should be wary of = brute > logic from our own perspective as a tool for progress. We have to work > together and respect other people's position especially when most are = doing > this for love rather than for money. It's not like in a company where = you > can sack and replace people. We have lost good people in the past = because > that wasn't understood and it's easier to keep people and their = knowledge > resource than replace and retrain them. +1 - In my 10 years of managing a small group of Russian developers I = discovered that the more I wrote the less was comprehended. We do best = when I point and wait for the answer including the likelihood that my = direction was not the best or only answer. I think we all need to use our listening skills and tone down the = compulsion to have all the answers immediately available. Regards, Dave=