Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 82CD18E98 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 31377 invoked by uid 500); 24 Aug 2011 13:18:01 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 31265 invoked by uid 500); 24 Aug 2011 13:18:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 31251 invoked by uid 99); 24 Aug 2011 13:18:00 -0000 Received: from minotaur.apache.org (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:18:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (HELO mail-gx0-f175.google.com) (127.0.0.1) (smtp-auth username robweir, mechanism plain) by minotaur.apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:18:00 +0000 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so808279gxk.6 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:17:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.193.5 with SMTP id q5mr4707274anf.36.1314191879098; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.166.1 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:17:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:17:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Scope/Mission of AOOo From: Rob Weir To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> >>> If you have withdrawn that proposal, then please state so and share >>> with us with your new proposal. =C2=A0I'd love to hear it. >>> >> >> >> I still believe we need a realistic discussion around those topics, Rob. >> Your view appears to be that proposals are immutable and to be accepted = or >> rejected rather than considered, adapted and evolved. I just gave you >> proposals for discussion and I invite you to attempt positive and >> constructive discussion around them rather than conducting endless >> standards-committee-points-scoring. >> > > Could you point us to your proposal? =C2=A0Or should we still be looking = at > your earlier proposal, the one I linked to? =C2=A0When you have a new > proposal, I'll be glad to comment. > > But note that a proposal to discuss something isn't really a proposal. > =C2=A0A proposal is a proposal for a particular action. =C2=A0We should t= ry to > limit undirected chatter on this list. =C2=A0This is a working list, for > AOOo dev. =C2=A0We need to preserve focus. > Should note also that proposals of the form "I think we should do X" are a cheap, a dime a dozen, and rarely progress the project. Proposals of the form "I would like do X" are golden and move the project forward. That is the "do-ocracy" aspect of the Apache meritocracy. > > -Rob > >> S. >> >